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Nonviolent Social Build
« on: November 18, 2015, 09:07:03 PM »
Race: Unseelie Fey Human
Class: Divine Bard 3/Marshal 2
Traits: Polite and Honest
Flaws: Pathetic (Strength) and Pathetic (Constitution)
Alignment: Neutral Good
Feats: Sacred Vow, Vow of Peace, Vow of Poverty, Vow of Nonviolence, Defender of the Homeland, Skill Focus (Diplomacy), Alluring, and Nymph’s Kiss
Strength: 4
Dexterity: 16
Constitution: 4
Intelligence: 8
Charisma: 20
Wisdom: 14
Skills: Bard: Diplomacy, Bluff, Concentration, Perform (Oratory), Knowledge (Nobility and Royalty), and Sense Motive
Marshal: Bluff, Diplomacy, Sense Motive and Concentration
Auras: Motivate Charisma and Motivate Care

Any comments?

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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 11:03:38 PM »
Welcome to the boards. I believe you want (carnivores?) The Anthropologist.

What a great build. It's not about the how big your diplomancy is. It's about how you use it.  :lol

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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 12:54:22 AM »
Take a look at the feat "Cards over Swords"; lets you diplomacy instead of fighting single intelligent enemies, IIRC.

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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 09:51:16 AM »
Welcome to the boards. I believe you want (carnivores?) The Anthropologist.
Any chance for a link?

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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 05:49:04 PM »
2nd-ing the request, because I couldn't find it either.

Gray Guard prc loosens the strictness of AoP.  Requires a 1 level Paladin dip.
Forsaker prc is an obvious VoP feat link up.


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Is there a variant Monk that could take VoP as a level 1 bonus feat?
(or similar ~early entry).
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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 10:09:54 PM »
One feat you'll want to get your hands on at some point is Silver Tongue; it's one of the best Diplomacy improvers in the game.

That and Unseelie Court Noble Kelir. You do want to weaponize that talking your going to do, right? Heck, you can get Unseelie Court Noble Kelir for free if you have the proper backstory.
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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2015, 09:35:31 PM »
Race: Unseelie Fey Human
Class: Divine Bard 3/Marshal 2
Traits: Polite and Honest
Flaws: Pathetic (Strength) and Pathetic (Constitution)
Alignment: Neutral Good
Feats: Sacred Vow, Vow of Peace, Vow of Poverty, Vow of Nonviolence, Defender of the Homeland, Skill Focus (Diplomacy), Alluring, and Nymph’s Kiss
Strength: 4
Dexterity: 16
Constitution: 4
Intelligence: 8
Charisma: 20
Wisdom: 14
Skills: Bard: Diplomacy, Bluff, Concentration, Perform (Oratory), Knowledge (Nobility and Royalty), and Sense Motive
Marshal: Bluff, Diplomacy, Sense Motive and Concentration
Auras: Motivate Charisma and Motivate Care

Any comments?

It's good flavor.

I'd be careful of CON = 4.  Even if non violent build, 1 hit and you're dead ...  14 would be better.  Just because you don't want to attack doesn't mean you won't be hit.

Jordain Vizier is very flavorful.

Other things of interest:
* Changeling Rogue Substitution level would also be a great fit.  Maybe trade sneak attack --> feat rogue --> Improved Toughness, Improved Initiative, Some of the ToB feats, etc.
* 2 or 3 levels of Incarnate or Totemist can give a hefty boost to skills
* 1 level of Binder can also give a lot of great flexibility.

Best,
David

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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2015, 02:06:50 AM »
Welcome to the boards. I believe you want (carnivores?) The Anthropologist.
Any chance for a link?

Love,
Necro
That might be hard since it was on 339 and I don't like searching the internet archive. I can tell you that it used that half-elf ACF *gets out books* RoD157 "Soothing voice" so that's a good way to search it up.

Maybe another veteran here would remember. aDMg? He sometimes surprises me with his memory.

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Re: Nonviolent Social Build
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 12:14:20 PM »
Making it its own post for easy linkability:

Are you bored of your DM's stereotypical plotlines? Is this all to common? "You see orcs and goblins! Time to kill kill kill!"

Then take diplomancy a step further with Anthropology:

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Considering you said you wanted to dominate combat without damage, I have to recommend a VoPoverty/VoPeace anthropologist.  Marshal 1/Warlock 1/Binder 1/Bard 7/Exemplar X, boosting diplomacy to obscene levels.  Take Requiem too.  Now use Diplomacy (which is +6 from Warlock, Skill Focused from Marshal, Charisma applies twice from Marshal, boosted more from Exemplar, can auto take 10 and use as a standard action from Naberius, VoPeace helps too IIRC) and Fascinate (save vs perform ranks, and Requiem means undead are affected).  All opponents must make an insanely high will save or stop and listen, and then instantly be converted to your side.  VoPeace gives an extra will save, also very high, to stop being aggressive.  Nothing can kill you because nothing wants to... but just in case, you might want to be a Warforged (so fewer things will find you tasty).  Instead of running around axe murdering people as normal in D&D, run around studying their cultures and asking them questions.  Find out, through interviews, exactly what dragons get out of having such large treasures.  Ask the Mindflayer why they prefer intelligent brains.  Study Ogre society.  While you're at it, get an exalted cohort Bard with VoPeace (but not Poverty) who will take down notes for you... and provide a second set of will saves to ensure nothing every fights you.  He'll help you write your treatise, since you can't have a book due to Vow of Poverty.

You'll win every fight ever, and completely confuse your DM.

I'm so glad I save stuff.