When is the earliest a person can get slippers of battledancing?

[Masakan]

So if a build is centered nay reliant on this one item to realize it's full potential, when is the earliest this can happen?
For the sake of reference either crafting or straight buying will be adequate.

[kitep]

A basic answer without going into optimizing:

Slippers of Battledancing cost 33,750gp

DMG, p42, last paragraph

As a general rule, a new character can spend no more than half
her total wealth on a single item, and no more than one quarter
the total wealth on consumables such as ammunition, scrolls,
potions, wands, or alchemical items.

So you would need twice as much to start (67,500gp)
WBL table (DMG,p135)
11th - 66,000gp
12th - 88,000gp

So you would need to be 12th level, minimum to buy them.

Crafting costs 16,875gp.  Assuming the half-wealth rule applies, you'd need 33,750gp
8th - 27,000gp
9th - 36,000gp

So you would need to be 9th level, minimum to craft them.
You would also need Craft Wondrous Item feat, Perform (dance) 5 ranks, longstrider, cat's grace, eagle's splendor, and 1350xp, all of which you can get by 9th level.

If you want to add a smidgen of optimizing, you can wait until after character creation to buy or craft the slippers, in which case you're not limited by the 1/2 wealth rule.  You could also pick up the mercantile (?) feat to start out with more gold.

Good luck.

[Kerrus]

getting into optimizing, either do it yourself or pick a cohort to do it at level 6, and invoke Pazuzu to give you a pair.

Doing it yourself with the proper optimization involves making the appropriate knowledge (the planes) check do know Pazuzu exists at level 1 (which is something like DC 40), but that requires a huge pile of Int.

[SorO_Lost]

Since the legal answer has already been provided and we're off in TO land: You can subvert needing Pazuzu by crafting gold coins. To craft a gold coin you need to pay 1/3 the price in raw materials, or each gold coin can be crafted into three more.

It's pretty trivial to break WBL if your DM doesn't use it.

[Masakan]

A basic answer without going into optimizing:

Slippers of Battledancing cost 33,750gp

DMG, p42, last paragraph

As a general rule, a new character can spend no more than half
her total wealth on a single item, and no more than one quarter
the total wealth on consumables such as ammunition, scrolls,
potions, wands, or alchemical items.

So you would need twice as much to start (67,500gp)
WBL table (DMG,p135)
11th - 66,000gp
12th - 88,000gp

So you would need to be 12th level, minimum to buy them.

Crafting costs 16,875gp.  Assuming the half-wealth rule applies, you'd need 33,750gp
8th - 27,000gp
9th - 36,000gp

So you would need to be 9th level, minimum to craft them.
You would also need Craft Wondrous Item feat, Perform (dance) 5 ranks, longstrider, cat's grace, eagle's splendor, and 1350xp, all of which you can get by 9th level.

If you want to add a smidgen of optimizing, you can wait until after character creation to buy or craft the slippers, in which case you're not limited by the 1/2 wealth rule.  You could also pick up the mercantile (?) feat to start out with more gold.

Good luck.

So I would have to find someone willing to craft them for me if i want them before level 10...figures.

[kitep]

So I would have to find someone willing to craft them for me if i want them before level 10...figures.

Depends on the DM.  If you can wait until after the game starts, the half-wealth rule doesn't apply.  Also, many DMs don't use it.  It's worth asking about.

As for crafting, I assume it's the Craft Wondrous Item feat and the Longstrider spell that's messing you up?  Remember you can team up to create items, so if someone in your group is taking the feat, you can always hire someone to cast the spell (once/day for 33 days, so 330gp total for spell casting services).

[Masakan]

So I would have to find someone willing to craft them for me if i want them before level 10...figures.

Depends on the DM.  If you can wait until after the game starts, the half-wealth rule doesn't apply.  Also, many DMs don't use it.  It's worth asking about.

As for crafting, I assume it's the Craft Wondrous Item feat and the Longstrider spell that's messing you up?  Remember you can team up to create items, so if someone in your group is taking the feat, you can always hire someone to cast the spell (once/day for 33 days, so 330gp total for spell casting services).

Meaning I would have to be really buddy buddy with the party spellcaster. or find an NPC i can pay upfront..either way it will take some time.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Could be :

A) ... Locate City 1 spell , Resourceful Buyer feat and Wanderer's Diplomacy feat , would at least guarantee finding them, except for DM railroading.  Still can't afford them until you can.

B) ... Go to Sigil.  Gather Information as to location of a t.o.-ish Crafter.  See Bastian+PLZ's discount crafting handbook.  They will want you to make it worth their while, and plenty of "neutrals" interested in what the tasty morsels are up to.

C) ... SorO has pointed out (correct me if I'm wrong) the MIC basically says you should get a 4e-style Wishlist.  DM says  .. but when is still a question, especially if those nice random tables in the DMG still matter.

D) ... Make them yourself or with help or "help".


Step D as a combo of a lesser Step A spellcasting service helper, and a Step B party crafter of a lower level = probably as early as possible.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

DMG, p42, last paragraph

As a general rule, a new character can spend no more than half
her total wealth on a single item

You'll notice that this limitation does not apply to existing characters. If you don't spend your initial WBL, you can presumably spend as much as you need on a single item. After all, you'll already have the money to buy it at one time.

Whether your character can survive for a whole level while hoarding gold (thus being severely under WBL in practice) is another matter.

[Kerrus]

To further clarify on this point, the distinction here is because WBL is assumed to represent your past adventuring/finds/whatever, not walking into a 'has every item magic mart'. Losing the limit after character creation is fine, because those items may not be easy to find anymore.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Good point.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

+1 ... and selling them.


I've posted quite a few rationalizations of
what sort of legit "magic mart" is available.

So long as a level 9 or 10 npc has taken
Leadership, a place could certainly have
a Psion 7 with PsyRef.  That opens up just
about everything, depending on contortions.
But there's NO guarantee  of such combo.

Excepting some diplomacy / gather information
variability and some room for DM railroading.