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To anyone that isn't going for crossbow sniper? and if not then why?

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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2017, 06:16:13 PM »
I would have put more favor into Quick Loading if it let you 1 hand reload for two weapon fighting, but reading over the description that doesn't sound like it is the case.
Still, unless you need Weapon Focus for prereqs or must pick up a different enchant for some reason, Quick Loading is probably better once you have the gold. Hand Crossbow Focus is stronger at lower levels when you dont have gold or extra feats to take rapid reload and weapon focus for other X-bows (though you are still starved with the Point-Blank and Precise Shot feat tax for ranged builds).
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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2017, 05:34:50 PM »
What does the EVD say about it? It's in my metacompendium if you need a download link.

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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 02:03:08 PM »
Actually went over the BFG before.

http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=12281.msg211163#msg211163

Oh. That reminds me. Do you think you could enchant an oil chamber (it's sort of a weapon) with quickloading so that you can store 50 charges of oil in the oil chamber? Then you could have 50 charges of oil for up to 50 arrows.
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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 02:53:39 PM »
Oh Wait. You want to go small.

CROSSBOW, HAND
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Important feats

RAPID RELOAD [FIGHTER]
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VERSATILE COMBATANT [FIGHTER]
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DROW LEGACY [HERITAGE]
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Best way to get hand crossbow as a weapon prof. Because you get SO MUCH MORE. alas, must be half-elf. But still.

HAND CROSSBOW FOCUS [FIGHTER]
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The feat you are talking about. We'll get to this under the relevant WSAs.

Ballista
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Important notes on if you go larger rather than smaller

Important WSAs

FLYING (3.0)
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When it comes to crossbows, since projectile weapons cannot normally load themselves, flying is a sweetspot when combined with quickloading. However, you can buy flying ammo, so the ammo just flies into position and it loads itself and skip the quickloading. The animated ammo does the loading for you.

OPPOSABLE (3.0)
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Now something I didn't consider, is a problem with hand Crossbow focus is while you can load your crossbow as a free action, you cannot do it one handed. This is what you need Quickloading for. However, if you had opposable, you can "hold" the hand crossbow in a non-standard slot. Like feet, knees, elbows, or forehead. (you know there are only 9 "held" weapon locations on a humanoid, right?) So you could have the crossbow on your forehead with opposable, and load it with one hand, while freeing up your other hand for holding a rapier or something.

QUICK LOADING
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Honestly, if you can afford the WBL, you take quickloading if you are going the Hand Crossbow route. Why? It loads with no hands, so you can dual wield and go all Rambo.

And remember, when increasing the size of a crossbow, the penalty isn't in to hit, but in time it takes to load.

Free - Move - Full - 2 rounds - 3 rounds -4 rounds. etc
And you get to up the base damage as you increase it. But oddly enough, no penalty for firing an oversized crossbow if you cal lift it. (hence why you need flying.) You can take your hand crossbow and increase the size, thus increasing the damage, but only increasing the time it takes to fire. Which makes it no longer "hand sized", of course. Not sure if that's an option, but it's to be considered.


SELF-LOADING
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Technically siege only, but also, technically, all crossbows are just really small ballistia.

Now onto extrapolated WSAs:

DEATHWAND
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Seriously, can you have too many wands at the ready?

DWARVEN MAULER
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If you don't mind supersizing your hand crossbow to do more damage while still being able to claim all your hand crossbow perks.

RELOADING
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Another way to upsize your hand crossbow then off set the time to fire penalty.

SORCERER HAND
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Cast ray spells? Or loading wands that cast ray spells into your deathwand crossbow? GET THIS.

Technically, there is a way of using poison, assassination WSAs, and an oil chamber to poison your ray attacks.

SPEED LOADING
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[SELF-LOADING CROSSBOW]
Price: 10,000 gp
Property: Crossbow
Caster Level: 10th
Aura: Moderate (DC 21) evocation
Activation: Wielded
After firing, the crossbow’s string is magically reset to the cocked position, requiring the wielder to simply place a bolt in the weapon to load it. Loading a Speed loading crossbow requires only a move equivalent action.
Construction: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Animate Objects
Editor: I’m not sure if it was replaced by speed loading, converted to siege only, or replaced by quick loading. As it stands, it should be it’s own WSA.


SPEED LOADING
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SPINNERET
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Originally a hand crossbow, so starting with a hand spinneret is a good idea.

And since you are expecting to fire many many bolts.

TRAILING FLAME
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That's about everything that applies you tor request for info on Hand Crossbow firing rates and a few suggestions for improvement.


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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2017, 01:43:29 PM »
throw in Aptitude for even more fun
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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2017, 03:35:07 PM »
make your crossbow that one homunculus crossbow creature, and it can load itself and fire. plus, being a non-pc, it doesn't have a limit on it's iterative attacks, so long as you have the gold to spend. plus, as a creature, it doesn't seem to have the same GP limit as non-epic magic items do....

Now, make one a dual deathwand crossbow, with the little pocket dimension ammo-storage weapon enhancement (one per crossbow) add all the speedloading feats and WSAs you can to it, and you have VanHelsing's fully automatic crossbow.

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Re: Does the Quick Loading Enchant make Hand crossbow focus redundant?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2017, 02:50:28 PM »
Wow.

@oil chamber. Magic weapon won't work. Its probably a RAW "no" but I'd allow it for that Dragonlance PrC that makes super masterwork versions of items. It won't break anything in a game were you allow a Wizard or Cleric.