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Gestalt Charismatic Caster
« on: May 15, 2012, 09:55:55 AM »
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What's your thoughts on the following...

Race: ???
Side 1: Sorcerer 20
Side 2: Monk 2/ Paladin 2/ Wilder 1/ ??? 15

what about

Race: ???
Side 1: Sorcerer 20
Side 2: Monk 2/ Paladin 2/ Wilder 6/ Cognition Thief 10

I love the idea of AC (Monk), Touch AC (Wilder), Saves (Paladin), all based on Charisma with the feats that allow me to set them all to be based on Charisma. Cannot remember what they are called. Not sure about race or how to finish this, any suggestions?

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Re: Gestalt Charismatic Caster
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2012, 10:07:03 AM »
So the point is to get a lot of charisma synergy on the second side, right? Well, firstly, Wilders get Elude touch at level 2, not 1. Worth bearing in mind that it is not a flat bonus to touch AC either, it works only against touch attacks and the bonus cannot make your AC against touch attacks higher than your regular AC.

About charisma synergy then. If you worry about your saves, Hexblade helps. Depending on how far you want to go, you could even use it to debuff enemy saves with the Dark companion ACF that comes online (IIRC) at level 4. A one level Marshal dip would give you a Minor aura, which could be used to add your charisma modifier to, say, initiative checks. To the same end, once it becomes available, you might want to take a look at Ruin Delver's Fortune. An immediate action spell that grants a bonus to one save equal to your charisma modifier. Not bad for a charisma-heavy character.

The Sorcerer side is slightly more tricky. What kind of a role do you expect to fulfill? Assuming that the second side of the build will concentrate on giving you passive benefits, you could go and grab a prestige class or two on the other side to give your Sorcerer a little bit more oomph. Prestige class suggestions are quite useless unless you have an idea as to what you want to do though.

As for the race, how about good ol' Kobold? By next level you could be taking a dip to Mindbender and accessing Mindsight.
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Re: Gestalt Charismatic Caster
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2012, 11:39:54 AM »
How is the DM doing BAB & Saves?  If the "best of" progression, consider going with Paladin at level 1 to keep your BAB perfect.

Perhaps for the beginning of the build:

Sorcerer 9 || Paladin 4 / Monk 2 / Ordained Champ 3

Gets CHA to Saves & AC, get Turn Undead to fuel lots of Smiting from Ordained Champ and can channel any of your spells into your weapon.  Alternately, replace Monk with Unarmed Swordsage.

After that, consider Abjurant Champion, but if the DM doesn't allow that in gestalt, there are other options.  If you can tolerate being exalted, Exalted Arcanist will allow you to permanently learn a handful of really great spells, but the feast cost can be exorbitant.

Or you could consider going into Arcane Duelist on the non-caster side to get CHA to AC again.  Or perhaps a level of Marshal to add CHA to something useful.  If you plan on polymorphing a lot, there is always Warshaper for the immunities.

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Re: Gestalt Charismatic Caster
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2012, 01:03:25 PM »
Sorcerer 4/Mage of the Arcane Order 7/Swiftblade 9
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Paladin 2/Wu Jen 1/Cloistered Cleric 1/Wilder 13/Sorcerer 3(taken at levels where swiftblade loses casting)

You do need at least one flaw I believe.

Level 1 - Primary Contact
Level 3 - Favored In the Guild (early entry to MotAO)
Wu Jen 1 - Cooperative Spell
Cleric - Extend Spell (Planning Domain)
Flaw - Arcane Preparation

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Re: Gestalt Charismatic Caster
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2012, 04:57:45 PM »
Race:  Human --- for the feat
Side 1: Sorcerer 20
** Side 2: Monk 2/ Paladin 2/ Wilder 6/ Cognition Thief 10

Tashalatora feat for the Monk.
Wilder recharge = yes ?!  :devil
Cerebremetamagic feat from Dr#349 lets you use
ppoints to fuel metamagic.  It's limited by the max level
of power you can -fest.  This particular build keeps the
final power level down by quite a bit, so it's not borkt.
Powerful though, with all that metamagic.

You'll hit PsyRef at about the same time Limited Wish comes in.
 :D ... See you already knew Psi is Not Broken.
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Re: Gestalt Charismatic Caster
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2012, 07:46:01 PM »
Nothing game breaking, huh?

Well then I'd go for a caster that plays more like a Big, Stupid, Fighter - with benefits. It's all about your spell selection in the end. On the other side, consider Paladin of Tyranny 3, Hexblade 4, Blackguard 3, and some PrC 10.

That's CHA to saves x2 and x3 vs. Spells/SLA's and you automatically ignore any secondary effects from failed Fort saves. Also, those classes give you a good Fort save. You emit a -4 penalty to saves in a 10ft. radius, a -2 to AC with your Dark Companion (-4 if you go with Paladin of Slaughter). They offer full BAB and d10HD.
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