Share Spells and Antimagic Field...

[ksbsnowowl]

Antimagic Field
Abjuration
Level:   Clr 8, Magic 6, Protection 6, Sor/Wiz 6
Components:   V, S, M/DF
Casting Time:   1 standard action
Range:   10 ft.
Area:   10-ft.-radius emanation, centered on you
Duration:   10 min./level (D)
Saving Throw:   None
Spell Resistance:   See text

Share Spells
At the master’s option, he may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) he casts on himself also affect his familiar. The familiar must be within 5 feet at the time of casting to receive the benefit.

If the spell or effect has a duration other than instantaneous, it stops affecting the familiar if it moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the familiar again even if it returns to the master before the duration expires. Additionally, the master may cast a spell with a target of "You" on his familiar (as a touch range spell) instead of on himself.

A master and his familiar can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the familiar’s type (magical beast).

Share Spells (Ex)
At the druid’s option, she may have any spell (but not any spell-like ability) she casts upon herself also affect her animal companion. The animal companion must be within 5 feet of her at the time of casting to receive the benefit. If the spell or effect has a duration other than instantaneous, it stops affecting the animal companion if the companion moves farther than 5 feet away and will not affect the animal again, even if it returns to the druid before the duration expires.

Additionally, the druid may cast a spell with a target of "You" on her animal companion (as a touch range spell) instead of on herself. A druid and her animal companion can share spells even if the spells normally do not affect creatures of the companion’s type (animal).

So, Antimagic field is effectively a personal spell, as it is mobile and centered on you, but that's not the way the spell's mechanics are constructed, so there is no way to have antimagic field affect your animal companion or familiar in place of yourself, correct?

Drat.  Was hoping to have some Druid//Wizards have their antimagic fielded animal companions grapple some fiends to prevent them from using their SLA's...

Guess it'll have to be Hathran and high-level Runescarred Berserkers doing so, without any buffs... ouch.

[phaedrusxy]

Yeah, unfortunately it is pretty difficult to pull off, as you said (I used to mistakenly think otherwise). If you had Use Magic Device ranks, the familiar could use a scroll. If you have Magic Jar, depending on how the DM rules buffs move when you change bodies, you might be able to put an AMF on the familiar while possessing it, which would then suppress the Magic Jar and kick you back into your body/gem.

[sirpercival]

Yeah, unfortunately it is pretty difficult to pull off, as you said (I used to mistakenly think otherwise). If you had Use Magic Device ranks, the familiar could use a scroll. If you have Magic Jar, depending on how the DM rules buffs move when you change bodies, you might be able to put an AMF on the familiar while possessing it, which would then suppress the Magic Jar and kick you back into your body/gem.

Just Sanctum it into a Shalantha's Delicate Disk and have the familiar break the disk.

[ksbsnowowl]

Yeah, unfortunately it is pretty difficult to pull off, as you said (I used to mistakenly think otherwise). If you had Use Magic Device ranks, the familiar could use a scroll. If you have Magic Jar, depending on how the DM rules buffs move when you change bodies, you might be able to put an AMF on the familiar while possessing it, which would then suppress the Magic Jar and kick you back into your body/gem.

Just Sanctum it into a Shalantha's Delicate Disk and have the familiar break the disk.

Hmmm.....  Might have to make this part of their preps...

[ksbsnowowl]

Drat.  Was hoping to have some Druid//Wizards have their antimagic fielded animal companions grapple some fiends to prevent them from using their SLA's...

Guess it'll have to be Hathran and high-level Runescarred Berserkers doing so, without any buffs... ouch.

Just checking, but two grappled creatures share the same space, correct?  So a Large fiend, like a balor or pit fiend, would be completely encased in the AMF if grappled by someone with AMF on.

But a Huge creature, such as a Klurichir (FF)... at least some parts of him would be outside the field.

Should a creature be larger than the area enclosed by the barrier, any part of it that lies outside the barrier is unaffected by the field.

So if someone grapples the Klurichir's head, but its feet are outside the field, could the klurichir use its SLA's?

[phaedrusxy]

Drat.  Was hoping to have some Druid//Wizards have their antimagic fielded animal companions grapple some fiends to prevent them from using their SLA's...

Guess it'll have to be Hathran and high-level Runescarred Berserkers doing so, without any buffs... ouch.

Just checking, but two grappled creatures share the same space, correct?  So a Large fiend, like a balor or pit fiend, would be completely encased in the AMF if grappled by someone with AMF on.

But a Huge creature, such as a Klurichir (FF)... at least some parts of him would be outside the field.

Should a creature be larger than the area enclosed by the barrier, any part of it that lies outside the barrier is unaffected by the field.

So if someone grapples the Klurichir's head, but its feet are outside the field, could the klurichir use its SLA's?

I've always hated trying to interpret this, as there really is no clarification or indication in the rules or FAQs for how it should work, as far as I remember. I'd say yes, he probably could use SLAs if some part of him is sticking out of the AMF.

Another odd/stupid thing that comes up with AMF's area is that if a huge creature casts it, it basically does nothing, as the entire area is inside the creature! The radius emanates from a point at the creatures center, not the edge of the creature. If I'm wrong here, someone let me know, because I'd love to know that this is not how it works...

[ksbsnowowl]

I was going to say that you could put the AMF on one of the huge caster's corners (much like occurs with a Medium creature), but since AMF states it is "centered on you," that would seem to preclude that (though it still will be centered on an intersection within the huge creature's area; as a 10-ft radius, there would be 2 two-square sections that emerge from the huge creature).

What I'll probably allow is for multiple people to get in on the grapple, such that they can completely cover the Klurichir in AMF's.

The other option for a Huge caster, of course, is a Widened AMF, as a 9th level arcane spell.  Then it would be a 20-foot radius emanation.

[sirpercival]

I was going to say that you could put the AMF on one of the huge caster's corners (much like occurs with a Medium creature), but since AMF states it is "centered on you," that would seem to preclude that (though it still will be centered on an intersection within the huge creature's area; as a 10-ft radius, there would be 2 two-square sections that emerge from the huge creature).

What I'll probably allow is for multiple people to get in on the grapple, such that they can completely cover the Klurichir in AMF's.

The other option for a Huge caster, of course, is a Widened AMF, as a 9th level arcane spell.  Then it would be a 20-foot radius emanation.

Or, you know, use a Sculpt rod.  Make it 4 10-foot cubes.

[ksbsnowowl]

A much better solution.  They would still be centered one you.

Sadly, can't do that and still fit them in a Shalantha's Delicate Disk. 

[phaedrusxy]

Or just houserule that spell emanations centered "on you" are calculated starting at the edge of the creature, not the center of its space. This makes so much more sense... I'm going to go write this down in my houserules thread right now.

[sirpercival]

A much better solution.  They would still be centered one you.

Sadly, can't do that and still fit them in a Shalantha's Delicate Disk. 

Sure you can.  Cast it via a rod.  Rods of sculpt are cheap.

[ksbsnowowl]

A much better solution.  They would still be centered one you.

Sadly, can't do that and still fit them in a Shalantha's Delicate Disk. 

Sure you can.  Cast it via a rod.  Rods of sculpt are cheap.

Well, 21,600 gp isn't exactly cheap, but doable for Rashemen

Wait, I see in MIC they were lowered to 11k; quite the savings!