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Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« on: August 31, 2012, 06:11:49 AM »
There are no shortages of way to appear to be something different that what you are. With Changelings natural ability to disguise, many spells, and dozens of magic items. However, they all seem useless under the eyes of a true seeing spell.

My character is more or less a sleeper assassin. He may be stationed in one place for several years getting closer and closer to his would be target and going in and out of guarded areas. So he needs a long term way to hide his true race without doing anything that would remove his naturnal abilitys such as a polymorph spell would (or does true seeing see thru that too???)

There are many items that protect against divination, but many of those list just scry or detecting/reading thoughts, and say nothing about visuall immunity to div spells. So I am unsure if any of them would work.

Two guidelines...

Cost: Can not be over 70k, lower cost the better.
Level: My levels and race are fixed so anything that would require me to take a level or two of some other class/template are completed out.


Any ideas? Thx in advance.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2012, 06:14:47 AM »
The Disguise self/hide skills can beat it but otherwise it is a hard counter to any illusion.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2012, 06:39:42 AM »
The Nondetection spell and a lot of rules-lawyering.
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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2012, 06:43:45 AM »
Ya full body makeup and hair dye would do for very short term but not for years. If my characters skin color washes off in the rain or rubs off when grappling it would make for a extreamly weak disguise. Hide has no place here. You can't work side by side with people for years, get to know people, and move up in ranks, to get closer to a target and be hidden.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2012, 09:56:37 AM »
Really high bluff checks? So even if they see the real you, you convince them otherwise.
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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2012, 10:16:52 AM »
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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2012, 11:08:37 AM »
From the replys I am getting I guess I didn't give enough info.

My character is not human, obviously so. It really does not matter if he is a drow, shade, dragon, or a sentient  turnip. You can't take one look at his natural form and think he is one of the common races (elf, human, dwarf, etc) but he tries to blend in with them.

So Disguise Skill - Never work, Hide Skill - Not applicable, Bluff - Royal guards spotting a drow, under a spell to look human, in the throne room, 20ft from the king, are not really going to stop to talk.

Solo had the idea at least and the point of my post. If your not detectable by scrying then that is a visual misdirection, they might see the spot your standing in, just not you. If your invisible and can't be subjected to detect spells then that also is a visual misdirection. True Seeing is not labled Detect but thats kind of what it does by detecting and seeing through means to mask things by magic.

So does anyone know of any magic items or spells that might be able to do this or work around it. There are items that give you immunity to divination, but I am unsure if that would work. Does it mean the whole school of Divination or just scrying. Its the kind of like Solo said, I just need the best item that has the best base for rules-lawyering if nothing else.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2012, 11:14:19 AM »
The lv3 spell Cloak of Khyber (City of Stormreach or Dr337)

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2012, 11:28:16 AM »
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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2012, 02:53:40 PM »
A level adjust +1 Vecna Blooded godblooded template can protect you from it as well, plus give you the name and location of the person trying to divine you.

I love that template as it wipes your previous existence from reality. Especially if you can used the modification for Permanent DR 5/ magic, instead of the one with a limit.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2012, 03:16:58 PM »
A level adjust +1 Vecna Blooded godblooded template can protect you from it as well, plus give you the name and location of the person trying to divine you.

I love that template as it wipes your previous existence from reality. Especially if you can used the modification for Permanent DR 5/ magic, instead of the one with a limit.

Actually, the fun part is that if you lose the template, you keep the awesome ability for no LA.
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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2012, 03:41:44 PM »
Actually that does make it more awesome, I always thought that +1 loss was permanent. . .

I'd be sad to lose the Enigma Aura though, even though it's only once per day. How awesome is it to make everyone within 120 ft forget you are even there.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2012, 09:48:35 AM »
There is also a mask in Sharn: City of Towers that is imbued with an identity at creation.  Any divination targeting you instead reads the imbued identity.  This explicitly includes True Seeing.

Doesn't make you immune, but it lets you deceive it, which may be even more useful.
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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2012, 10:47:52 AM »
Actually that does make it more awesome, I always thought that +1 loss was permanent. . .

I'd be sad to lose the Enigma Aura though, even though it's only once per day. How awesome is it to make everyone within 120 ft forget you are even there.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2012, 01:51:24 PM »
There is also a mask in Sharn: City of Towers that is imbued with an identity at creation.  Any divination targeting you instead reads the imbued identity.  This explicitly includes True Seeing.

Doesn't make you immune, but it lets you deceive it, which may be even more useful.

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Re: Is there a way to fool a true seeing spell???
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2012, 08:53:55 AM »
invisible spell and whatever illusion u want on yourself along with the same spell cast normally?
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