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Offline CKorfmann

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2012, 06:37:57 PM »
As a Monk, you get Wisdom to AC (and CMD) starting at level 1 (see the AC Bonus ability). You still add this on top of Dex, though, so while Wis is really awesome for a ZAM, Dex has its uses, too (even though it's less desirable).

Thanks, somehow I missed that having read over it a few times.  I guess that's most likely because it wasn't listed on the progression chart.  Good to know though!

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2012, 01:12:12 AM »
So a little bump here... I was poking around on a forum somewhere, maybe on Paizo, and ran across someone who multi-classed the ZAM with the Inquisitor.  I have been all about the ZAM/Empyreal Sorcerer combo for weeks now though I haven't had a chance to make one, let alone play it.  I have to say, the Inquisitor makes a lot more sense to me now!  The only thing you lose is a spell or two a day.  What you gain is so much better!  You probably need to take at least 2 level dips in this one instead of one in Empyreal Sorc, but it doesn't hurt that much and there are some great benefits at 2nd level. 

Casts spells based on WIS score without archtype.

You get one Domain and the use of Judgements at 1st level.

Stern Gaze: At 1st level give +1 to Intimidate and Sense Motive.

2nd Level: Best of all is Cunning Initiative which lets you add your WIS to init in addtion to your DEX!  You also get Track as Ranger, and Sense Alignment.

You get Monster Lore which lets you add your WIS to Knowledge checks when learning about abilities or weaknesses of monsters.

Better HD: d8 as opposed to d6.

Better BAB: Granted, it's still 0 at the first level, but it's a medium progression like the Monk is already, so you don't lose as much as you do with the spellcaster.

Better Saves:  Two good saves (Fort/Will) instead of just one for the caster class.

Better skill progression: base 6+ INT rather than base 2+ INT.  This character seems to be a pseudo-skill-monkey already and personally, I like having a lot of skills. 

There are some intersting things beyond level 2, but probably not as interesting as what the ZAM would give you, so I probably wouldn't go past Inq. 2.  In fact, the abilities the Inq. gets at level 3 are designed to benefit you in the long term, so 2 is all you need to really nicely buff your ZAM. 

What do you guys think about this combo? 

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #62 on: December 20, 2012, 04:56:44 PM »
Are you saying a two level dip into zen archer or a two level dip into inquisitor?

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #63 on: December 20, 2012, 11:56:31 PM »
Are you saying a two level dip into zen archer or a two level dip into inquisitor?

The latter.

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2012, 02:32:22 AM »
Out of the two level dip in all actuality aren't you gaining a SINGLE judgement/ day. The wisdom synergy is there but I'm not sure you are gaining enough to justify putting off other features you could get from ZAM. Wisdom to init is nice and all but if you aren't in it for the spells then why go inquisitor at all?

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2012, 11:48:07 PM »
I thought the point of multiclassing ZAM with a caster was to enter Eldritch Knight and/or Arcane Archer.  Both of which require arcane spellcasting.

I think ZAM could be a good dip for the inquisitor, I don't think the same is true in reverse.  Wis to init is nice, of course, but the rest....

Monster Lore won't matter, as you'll lack the skills to take those knowledges.  Stern Gaze is only a +1.  The judgment is only giving a +1 for 1 combat per day.  Spells gained are weak and limited in number, and you only gain one domain and don't get the domain spell slot, like cleric.  Unless you go to level 3+ in inquisitor (you said to go 1-2 levels), the BAB difference with it and a sorc dip is nonexistent.

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #66 on: December 27, 2012, 03:41:34 AM »
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Re: [Pathfinder] Zen Archer Monk Handbook discussion thread
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2013, 12:32:38 AM »
Actually, I found a homemade pres. class that is the divine equivilent of the Arcane Archer called the Sacred Arrow.  It looks pretty interesting to me and I think makes more sense for a ZAM.  http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2lu85?Sacred-Arrow-Divine-answer-of-the-Arcane-Archer

I'm also very interested in one level of Serene Barbarian.  It seems to be a great fit.  Granted, you'd have to wave the "no lawful" requirement, but that doesn't make sense for that class anyway.  Consensus seems to agree.  Instead of Rage, he gets Serenity which gives +4 to Dex and Wis.  Perfect for ZAM.  I was thinking that if you took this level first, it would qualify you for several feats that need a +1BAB to start with like Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Greatbow.  I might argue that a ZAM would qualify for greatbow anyway though and they don't already simply because it's not in PF yet to the best of my knowledge.