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Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« on: February 27, 2013, 11:59:12 AM »
This was originally compiled by Griff over at 339, then ported to BG by Surreal. I've found it useful, so wanted to make sure it got ported over before the old boards go away for good.


o Any

Aereni Focus - Player's Guide to Eberron (p.20)
Skill knowledge - UA (for use with UA Variant skill system) *check with your DM*



o Appraise

Apprentice (craftsman) - DMG II (also know: architecture and engineering)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)


o Balance

Martial Study (Iron heart/stone dragon) – tome of battle


o Bluff

Apprentice (criminal) - DMG II (also gather info)
Greensinger initiate – Ebberon campaign setting (requires spontaneous summon natures ally) (adds others)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)


o Climb

Far horizons [initiate] – Races of destiny (cleric only) (adds others also)


o Concentration

Apprentice (martial artist) - DMG II (also tumble)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Martial Study (diamond mind) – tome of battle


o Craft

o Decipher Script

o Diplomacy

Apprentice (entertainer) - DMG II (also perform)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Martial Study (white raven) – tome of battle


o Disable Device

Initiate of Gond – Players guide to Faerun (cleric only) (also adds Open lock)


o Disguise

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
City Slicker – Races of destiny, (adds others also)
Silverbrow Human (race) - Dragon Magic


o Escape Artist

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)


o Forgery

City Slicker – Races of destiny, (adds others also)


o Gather Information

Apprentice (criminal) - DMG II (also bluff)
Ecclesiarch – Ebberon campaign setting (adds Knowledge(local) also)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
City Slicker – Races of destiny, (adds others also)


o Handle Animal

o Heal

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Glimmerskin Halfling (race) - Dragon Magic


o Hide

Greensinger initiate – Ebberon campaign setting (requires spontaneous summon natures ally) (adds others)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Martial Study (shadow hand) – tome of battle
Forestlord Elves/Half-Elves (race) - Dragon Magic
Nightbringer Initiate (feat) - Magic of Eberron


o Intimidate

Apprentice (soldier) - DMG II (also know: local)
Martial Study (devoted sprit) – tome of battle
Dread Tyranny [initiate] – Races of destiny (cleric only)


o Jump

Far horizons [initiate] – Races of destiny (cleric only) (adds others also)
Martial Study (Tiger claw) – tome of battle


o Knowledge

All: Education – Ebberon Campaign setting
All: Draconic Knowledge, (requires Draconic heritage) - Dragon Magic
Any: Apprentice (philosopher) - DMG II (also sense motive)
Any: Apprentice (spellcaster) - DMG II (also (ab)use magic device)
Any: Knowlege Devotion (feat) - Complete Champion
Any: Primordial Giant (template) - Secrets of Xen'drik
Arcana: Arcane insight [initiate] –races of destiny (cleric only)
Architecture and engineering - Apprentice (craftsman) - DMG II (also apraise)
Dungeoneering: Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Local: Apprentice (soldier) - DMG II (also intimidate)
Local: Ecclesiarch – Ebberon campaign setting (adds Gather info also)
Local: City Slicker – Races of destiny, (adds others also)
Local: Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Nature: Apprentice (woodsman) - DMG II (also survival)
Planes: Keeper of forbidden lore [abyssal heritor] - Feindish codex 1 (also spellcraft)
Planes: Gatekeeper initiate – Ebberon campaign setting (requires spontaneous summon natures ally)


o Listen

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Whispered secrets [initiate] – Races of destiny (cleric only) (adds others also)


o Move Silently

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Nightbringer Initiate (feat) - Magic of Eberron
Viletooth Lizardfolk (race) - Dragon Magic


o Open Lock

Initiate of Gond – Players guide to Faerun (cleric only) (also adds Disable dev)


o Perform

Apprentice (entertainer) - DMG II (also diplomacy)
Greensinger initiate – Ebberon campaign setting (requires spontaneous summon natures ally) (adds others)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)


o Profession


o Ride


o Search

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)


o Sense Motive

Apprentice (philosopher) - DMG II (also a knowledge)
Martial Study (setting sun) – tome of battle


o Sleight Of Hand


o Speak Language

Gift of tongues – Races of Faerun (elf only)


o Spellcraft

Keeper of forbidden lore [abyssal heritor] - Feindish codex 1 (also know: planes)


o Spot

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Whispered secrets [initiate] – Races of destiny (cleric only) (adds others also)


o Survival

Nature: Apprentice (woodsman) - DMG II (also know: nature)
Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)


o Swim

Draconic heritage (Type) – Races of the dragon (sorcerer only)
Far horizons [initiate] – Races of destiny (cleric only) (adds others also)


o Tumble

Apprentice (martial artist) - DMG II (also concentration)
Martial Study (desert wind) – tome of battle


o Use Magic Device

Apprentice (spellcaster) - DMG II (also a knowledge)

o Use Rope




Cleric domains which grant new class skills:


Appraise

Pact - Spell compendium (also Intimidate, sense motive)
Wealth - Spell compendium.


Bluff

Baator [planar] - Spell compendium
Dragon - Spell compendium (also Intimidate)
Envy - Spell compendium
Trickery - PHB (also disguise and hide)


Disable Device

Kobold - here (also search and trapfinding ability)


Disguise

Trickery - PHB (also bluff and hide)


Hide

Trickery - PHB (also bluff and Disguise)


Intimidate

Abyss [planar] - Spell compendium
Dragon - Spell compendium (also Bluff)
Herald - BOED
Pact - Spell compendium (also appraise, sense motive)


Knowledge

All: knowledge - PHB
Nature: Animal - PHB
Nature: Plant - PHB


Search

Kobold - here (also Disable device and trapfinding ability)


Sense Motive

Celestia [planar] - Spell compendium
Pact - Spell compendium (also appraise, intimidate)


Survival

Arborea [planar] - Spell compendium
Travel - PHB
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 12:47:10 PM »
Human Paragon will get you any skill as a class skill.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 01:00:49 PM »
Quote from: linklord231 on February 27, 2013, 12:47:10 PM
Human Paragon will get you any skill as a class skill.
For human paragon levels only.  But still useful, especially with Able Learner.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 01:07:43 PM »
Skilled City Dweller needs to be on here.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 01:46:44 PM »
Human Paragon gives you any 10 skills as class skills for your Human Paragon levels; it grants you 1 skill as an "always a class skill" thing.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 01:52:24 PM »
Quote from: Amechra on February 27, 2013, 01:46:44 PM
Human Paragon gives you any 10 skills as class skills for your Human Paragon levels; it grants you 1 skill as an "always a class skill" thing.
Indeed you are right.  I didn't look at the class features, merely the skill section.  Sorry, never used paragon levels before.

Quote from: muktidata on February 27, 2013, 01:07:43 PM
Skilled City Dweller needs to be on here.
And where is that from?
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 01:54:19 PM »
Urban Class Features -> Down towards the bottom is Skilled City Dweller.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 02:48:03 PM »
Doesn't Cityscape have a rule that lets anyone trade Ride for Tumble? Or is that just for certain classes?

Edit: apparently that was called Skilled City Dweller  :blush
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 06:07:14 PM »
Autohypnosis --- feat in Dr#349 (name requires extra googling sad kitty)
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2013, 07:32:30 PM »
Quote from: awaken_D_M_golem on February 27, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
Autohypnosis --- feat in Dr#349 (name requires extra googling sad kitty)

Hypnotic Focus.  Page 88.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2013, 09:50:07 PM »
The old one had quite a few comments that were never factored into the list.  Notably, it's been pointed out that the source listed for nightbringer initiate is wrong. 

I'll also put forward half gnome (Races of Ansalon, p102).  At 1st level, they pick a skill; it's always a class skill and they gain a +2 bonus with it. 
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 02:38:12 AM »
Yup, humans can still get it on with anything it seems...
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2013, 09:22:25 AM »
Shouldn't this be in the handbooks section?
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2013, 11:21:42 AM »
Quote from: 123456789blaaa on February 28, 2013, 09:22:25 AM
Shouldn't this be in the handbooks section?
Maybe.  It was on the Min Max board over at BG, so I just ported it directly over into the same section.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2013, 05:52:13 PM »
Quickstart Skills Guide:
a) ... Trapfinding something at level 1
b) ... Guidance Of The Avatar level 2 spell
c) ... retire (or "retire") the skills dude at 6th level
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2013, 05:29:45 AM »
Worth mentioning the Expert or Factotum classes? I believe they let you pick your class skills. A human with able learner and a dip in these could get any selection of skills as class skills... heavy investment though.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2013, 12:55:59 PM »
The Expert can pick 10 class skills.  A Factotum has every skill as a class skill.  Exemplars also have every skill as a class skill.
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Re: Alternative Ways to Get New Class Skills
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2013, 06:46:39 PM »
The academy graduate feat (Savage Tide Player's Guide, p10) lets you have any 3 cha or int-based skills as class skills for all your classes. 
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