Born in the Plane of Shadow... What do you play as?

[zook1shoe]

I'm not sure either, but it has a really shadowy feel

[nijineko]

I'm not sure either, but it has a really shadowy feel

i take a rather dim view of that.

[kevin video]

Need more race selection.

[ksbsnowowl]

Need more race selection.

You mean template selection?  He's half dragon and half drow, right?  So something like a Half-Shadow Dragon Drow doesn't cut it?

Ah, just saw your edit in the first post... why doesn't Drow work (just curious)?

In any event, check out the Gloamings from Underdark.  They are planetouched creatures akin to Teiflings, etc.  Small outsiders with wings.  They gain CL boosts to Shadow spells, and they glow!

There are also the Shadar Kai from Fiend Folio.  Fey from the Plane of Shadow.

[kevin video]

Need more race selection.

You mean template selection?  He's half dragon and half drow, right?  So something like a Half-Shadow Dragon Drow doesn't cut it?

Ah, just saw your edit in the first post... why doesn't Drow work (just curious)?

In any event, check out the Gloamings from Underdark.  They are planetouched creatures akin to Teiflings, etc.  Small outsiders with wings.  They gain CL boosts to Shadow spells, and they glow!

There are also the Shadar Kai from Fiend Folio.  Fey from the Plane of Shadow.

Right now he's not anything. It's for the next campaign that we're starting in a month and while he was going to go half drow/shadow dragon, the end result is crap compared to what he was hoping to get.

Drow would normally work fine, but he'd like to not play a drow two cycles in a row.

It find it rather crazy that the Gloamings are a +2 LA considering what they have.

He's hoping to go rogue so Shadar-kai might work in his favor.

[ksbsnowowl]

Type: Outsider plus a fly speed.  As a total package it is perhaps a weak +2 LA, but I can see why it is.

Shadar-Kai gets free EWP with the spiked chain.  Maybe go Swashbuckler for free Weapon Finesse, and go with Daring Outlaw?  Get Deft Opportunist and Combat Reflexes for all the AoO's.  Sadly, he wouldn't qualify for Robilar's until 18th.

[kevin video]

Type: Outsider plus a fly speed.  As a total package it is perhaps a weak +2 LA, but I can see why it is.

Shadar-Kai gets free EWP with the spiked chain.  Maybe go Swashbuckler for free Weapon Finesse, and go with Daring Outlaw?  Get Deft Opportunist and Combat Reflexes for all the AoO's.  Sadly, he wouldn't qualify for Robilar's until 18th.

Spiked chain is only worth it with 3.5 D&D rules. DM removed grapples and has house ruled PF CMB/CMD checks instead. Still, the Swashbuckler is pretty cool. I'd say Fighter would work too, but Swashbuckler has better skill points and skill access.

[ksbsnowowl]

Well, I wasn't thinking for trips or anything like that, just the added utility of having reach and being able to attack adjacent.  Most of the time when someone closes with you, you're going to get an AoO.  Then if they try to withdraw, they'll provoke again.

[kevin video]

Well, I wasn't thinking for trips or anything like that, just the added utility of having reach and being able to attack adjacent.  Most of the time when someone closes with you, you're going to get an AoO.  Then if they try to withdraw, they'll provoke again.

It's not so much that as no one's tried the spiked chain since this rule came into play because spiked chains in Pathfinder don't have reach.

Chain, Spiked - 25 gp, 1d6, 2d4, ×2, 10 lbs., P, disarm, trip
Benefit: You can use the Weapon Finesse feat to apply your Dexterity modifier instead of your Strength modifier to attack rolls with a spiked chain sized for you, even though it isn't a light weapon.

As long as that's not nerfed, then we should be good to go.

[ksbsnowowl]

Ah, I had no idea.  Just one more reason for me never to switch...

[nijineko]

Ah, I had no idea.  Just one more reason for me never to switch...

pf doesn't have official psionics. seriously lame.