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Is this class 3.5 legal?
« on: August 04, 2013, 12:53:44 PM »
Is the class Foe Hunter 3.5 legal? I don't think the class itself was ever reprinted, but I've heard that Races of the Wild was the updated version of Masters. So does this make it legal or illegal?

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EDIT: Another question, concerning the Foe Hunter's stackable spell resistance.

Quote from: Hated Enemy Spell Resistance (Ex):
Beginning at 4th level, the foe hunter can avoid the effects of spells and spell-like abilities that would directly affect her, as long as they originate from her hated enemy. Against such effects, the foe hunter has spell resistance equal to 15 + her foe hunter class level. This stacks with any other applicable spell resistance the character may have.

...and then the FAQ:

Quote from: FAQ
A foe hunter or forsaker’s SR stacks with SR from most
other sources; however, don’t count a character level twice
when calculating the character’s total SR, and don’t stack two
SRs with each other, only with the prestige class bonus. If
you have two or more SRs that don’t stack, use the best
combination.
The sample character has the following:
Foe hunter SR 19 (base 15 + 4 for foe hunter levels);
Armor SR 11;
Drow SR 22 (base 11 + 11 class levels);
Add the armor to the foe hunter;
(SR 30).
Do not add the drow SR because it already takes level into
account, and in any case, you wouldn’t stack armor SR and
drow SR because those two SRs don’t stack. Note that in this
case, the SR of 30 applies only against effects that come from
a hated enemy. Magic from other sources has to overcome
the character’s drow SR of 22.

This is confusing me. Say I have a racial spell resistance, 12 + class levels, and the Foe Hunter spell resistance, 15 + Foe Hunter Levels, and say I am level 10. According to the actual printing of the class they explicitly stack. According to the FAQ, any class levels are only counted once. So would my SR be 12 (racial) + 10 (classes) + 15 (Foe Hunter) + 4 (Foe Hunter class levels)? Or am I doing something wrong?
« Last Edit: August 04, 2013, 01:07:55 PM by Brains »
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Re: Is this class 3.5 legal?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2013, 12:57:17 PM »
3.0 Material which has not been reprinted is valid (assuming 3.0 is allowed in the first place). If Foe Hunter has not been reprinted in any 3.5 books, the class is valid.

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Re: Is this class 3.5 legal?
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2013, 01:01:21 PM »
Foe Hunter is not reprinted in Races of the Wild.  According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prestige_classes it has only ever been printed in MotW, at least under that name.

Aside from that, Demelain has it exactly.  The grandfather clause for 3.0 stuff allows it to be used in 3.5 if it hasn't been updated.  Doesn't mean a DM will allow it though, but that's a table-specific issue.  The class is valid for use in 3.5.

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Re: Is this class 3.5 legal?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 01:09:00 PM »
Alright thanks guys. Could you take a look at my edit and see if you could enlighten me? I don't want to make another post for that question alone.
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Re: Is this class 3.5 legal?
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2013, 01:19:55 PM »
Remember also that Damage Reduction worked differently in 3.0 than it works in 3.5 .

The way it is written, though, i'd say is DR/-, like the barbarian. SR, i can't remember whether it has changed or not. Also Class Skills. Wilderness Lore doesn't exist anymore.
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Re: Is this class 3.5 legal?
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2013, 04:59:08 PM »
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This is confusing me. Say I have a racial spell resistance, 12 + class levels, and the Foe Hunter spell resistance, 15 + Foe Hunter Levels, and say I am level 10. According to the actual printing of the class they explicitly stack. According to the FAQ, any class levels are only counted once. So would my SR be 12 (racial) + 10 (classes) + 15 (Foe Hunter) + 4 (Foe Hunter class levels)? Or am I doing something wrong?

In your calculation, you are counting you Foe Hunter levels twice.  A FAQ-ruling of the SR can be calculated two ways.  For this purpose I will assume the character is 10th level: Ranger 6/Foe Hunter 4.

Racial SR of 12+class levels (not counting foe hunter class levels) + 15+foe hunter levels.
12+6 + 15+4 = 37 versus your hated foe.
12+6+4 = 22 vs all others.

This is clunky and confusing.

A better way to do it is to just do SR of 12+ class levels +15.  This accounts for your foe hunter levels once (along with all your other levels), and makes it easy to see your SR vs things that are not your hated foe.
12+10+15 = 37 vs hated foes
12+10 = 22 vs all others

This is of course assuming you want to follow the suggestion of the FAQ, to only have each class level counted once.

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Re: Is this class 3.5 legal?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2013, 07:44:22 PM »
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This is confusing me. Say I have a racial spell resistance, 12 + class levels, and the Foe Hunter spell resistance, 15 + Foe Hunter Levels, and say I am level 10. According to the actual printing of the class they explicitly stack. According to the FAQ, any class levels are only counted once. So would my SR be 12 (racial) + 10 (classes) + 15 (Foe Hunter) + 4 (Foe Hunter class levels)? Or am I doing something wrong?

In your calculation, you are counting you Foe Hunter levels twice.  A FAQ-ruling of the SR can be calculated two ways.  For this purpose I will assume the character is 10th level: Ranger 6/Foe Hunter 4.

Racial SR of 12+class levels (not counting foe hunter class levels) + 15+foe hunter levels.
12+6 + 15+4 = 37 versus your hated foe.
12+6+4 = 22 vs all others.

This is clunky and confusing.

A better way to do it is to just do SR of 12+ class levels +15.  This accounts for your foe hunter levels once (along with all your other levels), and makes it easy to see your SR vs things that are not your hated foe.
12+10+15 = 37 vs hated foes
12+10 = 22 vs all others

This is of course assuming you want to follow the suggestion of the FAQ, to only have each class level counted once.

This is actually what I tried to show in my original post. I put a strikethrough on "+4 Foe Hunter levels" to show I wasn't counting that. I guess I should have been more clear but I was in a hurry. Thanks for the help!
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