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Offline Kasz

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Master Thrower's Palm Throw & Trip Shot
« on: August 22, 2013, 08:45:08 AM »
Just a quick question about thrown weapon tricks. I have a player who is playing a Master Thrower currently and his two tricks are:

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Palm Throw: When using little thrown weapons (darts, shuriken, and daggers; the DM may allow other weapons), a master thrower with this ability may throw two of each weapon with a single attack roll. Damage for each weapon is resolved separately, but the master thrower does not apply her Strength bonus to either damage roll.

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Trip Shot: A master thrower with this ability may use a thrown weapon to make a trip attempt against an opponent farther than 5 feet away. The character makes a normal attack against the opponent with a thrown weapon. If the attack succeeds, in addition to doing damage as normal, the master thrower makes a Dexterity check with a +4 bonus opposed by the opponent's Dexterity check or Strength check (whichever ability score has the higher modifier). Other modifiers may apply on this opposed check (see page 158 of the Player's Handbook). If the master thrower wins the opposed check, the opponent is tripped. The benefit of this ability does not stack with the benefit of the Improved Trip feat.

So... Let's say my Thrower throws 6 darts. 3 attack rolls (with palm toss), 6 lots of damage without Strength. Does he get 6 trip attempts? 3 trip attempts?

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Re: Master Thrower's Palm Throw & Trip Shot
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 12:41:08 PM »
i read 1 trip attempt per successful hit.
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Re: Master Thrower's Palm Throw & Trip Shot
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 03:07:08 PM »
A similar question came up a bit back about Palm Throw regarding precision damage - the upshot is that Palm Throw is a volley attack, so the precision damage is only applied once.

I'd apply the same logic to this. One attack roll, two lots of damage, one trip attempt. (Or rather, 3 attack rolls, 6 darts, 3 trips attempts, to answer your actual question.)

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Re: Master Thrower's Palm Throw & Trip Shot
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2013, 05:12:08 AM »
i read 1 trip attempt per successful hit.

Indeed. Thanks.

A similar question came up a bit back about Palm Throw regarding precision damage - the upshot is that Palm Throw is a volley attack, so the precision damage is only applied once.

I'd apply the same logic to this. One attack roll, two lots of damage, one trip attempt. (Or rather, 3 attack rolls, 6 darts, 3 trips attempts, to answer your actual question.)

Yeah, sound logic. Cheers.

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Re: Master Thrower's Palm Throw & Trip Shot
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2013, 05:36:27 AM »
Does palm throw allow for 2 different targets to be attacked with one roll? If yes, then both should be tripped, so it is "per hit" and it's case-closed for 6 trips.

If not, i'm unsure whether they are seen as one or two attacks. I'd say one attempt per attack, whichever that is.

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Re: Master Thrower's Palm Throw & Trip Shot
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2013, 09:08:56 AM »
Quote from: Master thrower class features
Palm Throw: When using little thrown weapons (darts, shuriken, and daggers; the DM may allow other weapons), a master thrower with this ability may throw two of each weapon with a single attack roll. Damage for each weapon is resolved separately, but the master thrower does not apply her Strength bonus to either damage roll.

Doesn't say it can target more than one person, so it can't. Normally there would be something like "2 targets no more than 30ft apart" but lacking that. 1 attack roll = 1 target = 1 trip attempt.