Swordsage / Warblade Min maxing progression (3.5)

[Jackinthegreen]

I'm going to post again in this tread because i'm indecisive as a hyperactive hamster.  So don't kill me .

Between swordsage and warblabe for two handed fighting stile who's the most suitable?( i think warblade because of the iron mountain school), is there among the handbooks/guides one for two handed fighting?

Warblade tends to do better with 2h since their BAB helps them get better feats like Shock Trooper earlier.  I've already linked the TWF offhand book, but I'm not sure if there's a 2h handbook.

It's Iron Heart by the way.

[zOrKeR]

Well i misnamed because i was watching Hokuto no ken 


Anyway , has anyone save copies of these two builds:

Tleilaxu_Ghola 's Feral Dreadlord (Warblade heavy ToB Sneak Attack optimization)

CantripN's Phoenix the Fierce (Crackdown build).

I'm asking because the wayback machine doesn't have them stored.

Found a very interesting crit heavvy build:

1 Warblade 1 (Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus: Kukri)
2 Warblade 2
3 Warblade 3 (Leap of Heavens)
4 Warblade 4 (+1 dex)
5 Warblade 5 (Improved Initiative)
6 Warblade 6 (Improved Two-Weapon Fighting)
7 Warblade 7
8 Warblade 8 (+1 dex)
9 Warblade 9 (Combat Reflexes, Improved Critical: Kukri)
10 Warblade 10
11 Warblade 11
12 Warblade 12 (+1 dex, Weapon Specialization: Kukri)
13 Warblade 13 (Quick Draw)
14 Warblade 14
15 Warblade 15 (Greater Two-Weapon Fighting)
16 Warblade 16 (+1 str)
17 Warblade 17 (Run (or some other bonus feat))
18 Warblade 18 (Two-Weapon Rend)
19 Warblade 19
20 Warblade 20 (+1 str)

Maneuvers Known progression:
1 - Steel Wind (Iron), Sudden Leap (Tiger), Sapphire Nightmare Blade (Diam)
2 - Wolf Fang Strike (Tiger)
3 - Action Before Thought (Diam)
5 - Iron Heart Surge (Iron)
6 - Change: Sapphire Nightmare Blade (Diam) to: Mind over Body (Diam)
7 - Bounding Assault (Diam)
8 - Change: Sudden Leap (Tiger) to: Death From Above (Tiger)
9 - Pouncing Charge (Tiger)
10 - Change: Iron Heart Surge (Iron) to: Dancing Mongoose (Tiger)
11 - Moment of Alacrity (Diam)
13 - Swooping Dragon Strike (Tiger) (nothing like a good stun option!)
14 - Change: Steel Wind (Iron) to: Quicksilver Motion (Diam)
15 - Girallon Windmill Flesh Rip (Tiger)
16 - Change: Dancing Mongoose (Tiger) to: Raging Mongoose (Tiger)
17 - Time Stands Still (Diam)
19 - Feral Death Blow (Tiger)

Stances Known Progression:
1 – Punishing Stance
4 – Blood in the Water
10 – Hearing the Air
17 – Absolute Steel Stance

[zOrKeR]

Wanted to give this tread a boost because  i got a new idea. I've been reading about the glaive warlock .

Could someone help me in making a Level progression for warblade/warlock(eldritchglaive)  to be the best debuffer?

[Jackinthegreen]

For warlocks you might want to look at The Newest Warlock Handbook for info on warlocks.  There's also The Warlock Compilation here at MMB but that GitP link has some things our thread doesn't.

You'll need to chat with your DM on how he handles Eldritch Glaive.  Do you have to have both hands free to use it?  Can you use it with Power Attack, or other feats that boost a specific weapon?  The rules are sadly ambiguous and annoying like that.

[zOrKeR]

Well since getting him to accept a warlock was a big victory( he deemed to dangerous an at will touch attack), he'll let me play it two handed.

[Jackinthegreen]

"Let" is perhaps not the right word here unless you're allowed to use Power Attack with it, and based on what you just said about your DM I doubt he'll let you PA with it since it's still a touch attack.  Or is it not a touch attack anymore?

Anyway, if you're going for debuffing then it's definitely useful, but you might want to get some sort of extra reach.  Getting a size increase might work, but there's also the Inhuman Reach feat which explicitly works to give you 15-20 foot reach with a reach weapon if you're small or medium.

What kind of debuffs do you want to use with glaive?  Frightful Blast can definitely help with a more fear-focused build or party.  Sickening isn't as good since it targets a usually stronger save (fort) and the sickened condition can't actually escalate to nauseated.  Those are the only two Least essences you could use for debuffing.

For Lesser essences there's Deteriorating Blast which lowers all forms of DR on the enemy by 5, but it's a fort save which has already been noted as typically being good for monsters.  None of the other essences are worthwhile for debuffing unless you absolutely need Beshadowed Blast to blind stuff for a rogue to SA it and even then there are much better ways for the rogue to get SA damage than requiring you to spend an invocation on it when you could have gotten 24 hour flight instead.

Greater essences actually have stuff worthwhile.  Noxious Blast is a fort save or be nauseated for 1 minute, which means the affected opponent can only make a single move action each round.  Incarnum Blast is nice because if any part of an enemy's alignment is opposed to yours, it must make a fort save or be dazed for a round.  Hindering blast is a will save vs the slow spell basically.

Note that to get to Greater essences, you need at least 11 levels in warlock.  There is no warlock/martial adept dual-progression PrC (Jade Phoenix Mage can't be entered by Warlocks due to requiring actual spells).  If you're only going for a dip in warblade to get something like Sudden Leap to help with mobility then you're okay, but don't expect to be doing any strikes and such because using Eldritch Glaive simply doesn't allow for it.

[Nezkrul]

he'll let me play it two handed

Why does he think an underpowered archer is dangerously close to overpowered?  Seriously, a Scout 3 / Ranger 3+ does hella more damage at range than a straight warlock will ever do.

[zOrKeR]

@Nezkrul :the problem isn't the damage per se, but the fact that it requires a "touch "attack.