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[3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« on: November 13, 2015, 08:01:02 AM »
Assuming normal transparency, does Disrupting Blow also affect spells/spellcasting/spell-likes (the ability from Sanctified Mind)?  The text spells out powers/manifesting/psi-likes, though the argument has been made the other direction, so was curious if this was a reasonable extrapolation.

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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 08:54:55 AM »
Yes it does. With transparency on, they're more or less two sides of the same coin, rather than different systems.

Specifically, there's this line in the Psionics-Magic transparency rules, which is what I would reference:
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All spells that dispel magic have equal effect against powers of the same level using the same mechanics, and vice versa.

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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 12:21:42 PM »
Yes it does. With transparency on, they're more or less two sides of the same coin, rather than different systems.

Specifically, there's this line in the Psionics-Magic transparency rules, which is what I would reference:
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All spells that dispel magic have equal effect against powers of the same level using the same mechanics, and vice versa.

Think that's enough of a leg to stand on to claim dispel psionics works on an AMF?  Given that there is no psionic disjunction (at least not in 3.5) :P

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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 12:25:06 PM »
Nope  :P
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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 12:29:26 PM »
Think that's enough of a leg to stand on to claim dispel psionics works on an AMF?  Given that there is no psionic disjunction (at least not in 3.5) :P

Augmented to a high enough level? As a DM I wouldn't argue much.

Nope  :P

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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 12:43:19 PM »
Nope  :P

If I recall, you're not a fan of the vanilla disjunction - my only issue in this instance is no method for psionics to take down an AMF, while arcane magic does (or a null psionic field - same difference with transparency).  Ironically, the one instance where it makes a difference is a non-issue as the TBoS is explicitly Faerun specific, and AMF and friends don't affect psionics there :D

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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 04:22:52 PM »
echoing Strat above ... d20srd quotes

Psi-Like Abilities And Feats
Creatures with access to psi-like abilities can use the feats Empower Spell-Like Ability and Quicken Spell-Like Ability.

Psionic monsters often possess spell-like abilities that are identified as “psionics,” instead of “spell-like abilities.” For all intents and purposes, creatures with spell-like abilities described as psionics are considered to possess psi-like abilities, and they manifest their powers as described above.

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however there is that stupid line :
Psi-Like Abilities (Ps)
The manifestation of powers by a psionic character is considered a psi-like ability
... which is stupid. 

Or previous edition copy/paste Double stupid,
because there's a line in the 3.0e book that
specifically calls out all 3.0e psi as (su) ?!
Go bake your noodle on that one for a while.
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Re: [3.5/Psionic]Transparency Question
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 09:31:09 PM »
Nope  :P

If I recall, you're not a fan of the vanilla disjunction - my only issue in this instance is no method for psionics to take down an AMF, while arcane magic does (or a null psionic field - same difference with transparency).  Ironically, the one instance where it makes a difference is a non-issue as the TBoS is explicitly Faerun specific, and AMF and friends don't affect psionics there :D
I think the spell is unfair to non-casters who typically have poor will saves and are more gear dependent, but what else is new?

AMF is pretty easy to ignore/avoid in most situations. Stay out of it (or block its LoE), and use instantaneous creation effects/etc. So I don't see lacking the ability to bring one down as a real hinderance in the vast majority of situations (and any where it is a problem are pretty contrived :p).
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