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Offline turok124

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was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« on: December 22, 2011, 10:08:50 PM »
thought of an interesting way to use the Magic Mantle (which everyone loves to use to make magic=psionics).

mainly, get the magic mantle, then take Reserves of Strength to add another 3 to the manifester level and break some manifester level caps, stacking with Wild Surge or Overchannel.

so a Shifter substitution Mantled (magic) Educated Wilder (for charisma synergy) combining Wild Surge, Reserves of Strength and Quick Recovery (to handle daze/stunning effects) can Metamorphosis, Greater into :

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/gibberingOrb.htm

worth looking into?


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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 06:38:43 AM »
Reserves Orb has been around for a long time and is not exclusive to psionics.
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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 12:09:47 PM »
Magic Mantle is a basically a force transparency rules even if the DM over rid them anyway thing. I have never seen a real argument providing any level of support your average abuser invents outside of defining identical. It's like saying Powerful Build makes you one size larger because you only read as far as it would take to satisfy you.

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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 12:41:29 PM »
fair enough, thought it was worth a shot :surrender

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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 04:04:49 PM »
... but ... any CL over to ML booster is quite good anyway.
So long as you're Not using Nijineko's latest nerf of Ardent + early access tricks.

Phoenix00 and KellK have pointed out the "broader" definition of what Magic Mantle says.
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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 04:59:20 PM »
... but ... any CL over to ML booster is quite good anyway.
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Phoenix00 and KellK have pointed out the "broader" definition of what Magic Mantle says.
You know why? Because Psionics closely limits ML boosters. They get very little in that area.

There is no broader definition.
A says "identical" means take levels in shadowcraft mage or so other stupid thing.
B points out A is wanting a language debate and hopefully tells them to piss off.
C plays nicer and points out the same thing B did, but also points out the example calls Dispel Psionics which helps clarify what the only person that matters meant. Also, the entry further says most campaigns already treat this in this manner, orly and why? Because Transparency rules say so, therefor most campaigns already have the main benefit of the Magic Mantle applied. "Most" useful is another stupid language debate, even with Transparency you still gain a selection of limited powers and there for it's still useful.

I'm mostly a B man, but there is my try at C. Language debate on one word vs intent of author which points to Transparency rules which don't allow any such thing.

 

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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 09:16:31 PM »
CR27 epic monsters exist in your campaign? Gross

That is even too high for my 'snatching things from epic to non-epic' tastes.

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Re: was hoping to add this to Psionic Tricks...
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2011, 11:15:47 PM »
though my DM would probably allow it once, this trick would definitely be on the TO side of things.