Permanency Handbook Discussion Thread

[Nytemare3701]

This is a thread to discuss the Permanency Handbook.

[kitep]

Durability ??? Dr305 1500

??? should be Clr 2, Sor/Wiz 3

Transparency ??? Dr305 1500

??? should be Sor/Wiz 3

Dr305, page 67

[kitep]

Is there a reason PHB spells aren't included?  I started to type up a list, but want to make sure I'm not wasting my time first.

[kitep]

Tricks:

A solar has permanency as a spell-like ability 3/day.  Gate 1 in, and get 3 spells permanentacized.  He also has Wish as a SLA 1/day, so that could be used as a 4th permanency, or as a spell to be permanentacized.  And Miracle is on his spell list, so that could also duplicate a spell to be made permanent.

Can you use Thought Bottle to get around the XP loss?  What other ways are there to get around the XP loss (besides buying a scroll/staff)

Dispelling Permanency is dependant on caster level.  So jack your caster level up through the roof before casting.  I'm tempted to say this is so important and has so many methods, that ways to raise your CL deserves it's own section, but in truth, it's so useful, it deserves its own handbook.  <hint, hint>

[sirpercival]

Tricks:

A solar has permanency as a spell-like ability 3/day.  Gate 1 in, and get 3 spells permanentacized.  He also has Wish as a SLA 1/day, so that could be used as a 4th permanency, or as a spell to be permanentacized.  And Miracle is on his spell list, so that could also duplicate a spell to be made permanent.

Can you use Thought Bottle to get around the XP loss?  What other ways are there to get around the XP loss (besides buying a scroll/staff)

Dispelling Permanency is dependant on caster level.  So jack your caster level up through the roof before casting.  I'm tempted to say this is so important and has so many methods, that ways to raise your CL deserves it's own section, but in truth, it's so useful, it deserves its own handbook.  <hint, hint>

I can do something like that maybe, to go along with my RoS handbook.

[kitep]

Is there a reason PHB spells aren't included?  I started to type up a list, but want to make sure I'm not wasting my time first.

I looked at the original thread on the wayback machine.  They weren't included just because he didn't want to take the time to type them up - he even welcomed someone else doing it, but apparently no one did.  So here they are:

*Arcane sight (Sor/Wiz 3) PHB 1500
*Comprehend languages (Brd/Clr/Sor/Wiz 1) PHB 500
*Darkvision (Rgr 3, Sor/Wiz 2) PHB 1000
*Detect magic (Brd/Clr/Drd/Sor/Wiz 0) PHB 500
*Read magic (Brd/Clr/Drd/Pal/Rgr/Sor/Wiz 0) PHB 500
*See invisibility (Brd 3, Sor/Wiz 2) PHB 1000
*Tongues (Brd 2, Clr 4, Sor/Wiz 3) PHB 1500

Enlarge person (Sor/Wiz/Strength 1) PHB 500
Magic fang (Drd/Rgr 1) PHB 500
Magic fang, greater (Drd/Rgr 3) PHB 1500
Rary’s telepathic bond (Sor/Wiz 5) PHB 2500  Only bonds two creatures per casting of permanency.
Reduce person (Sor/Wiz 1) PHB 500
Resistance (Brd/Clr/Drd/Sor/Wiz 0, Pal 1) PHB 500

still have object/area list to go.

[kitep]

The rest from the PHB

Alarm (Brd/Rgr/Sor/Wiz 1) PHB 500
Animate objects (Brd/Chaos/Clr 6) PHB 3000
Dancing lights (Brd/Sor/Wiz 0) PHB 500
Ghost sound (Brd/Sor/Wiz 0) PHB 500
Gust of wind (Drd/Sor/Wiz 2) PHB 1500
Invisibility (Brd/Sor/Wiz/Trickery 2) PHB 1000
Magic mouth (Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 2) PHB 1000
Mordenkainen’s private sanctum (Sor/Wiz 5) PHB 2500
Phase door (Sor/Wiz 7, Travel 8) PHB 3500
Prismatic sphere (Protection/Sor/Wiz/Sun 9) PHB 4500
Prismatic wall (Sor/Wiz 8) PHB 4000
Shrink item (Sor/Wiz 3) PHB 1500
Solid fog (Sor/Wiz 4) PHB 2000
Stinking cloud (Sor/Wiz 3) PHB 1500
Symbol of death (Clr/Sor/Wiz 8) PHB 4000
Symbol of fear (Clr/Sor/Wiz 6) PHB 3000
Symbol of insanity (Clr/Sor/Wiz 8) PHB 4000
Symbol of pain (Clr/Sor/Wiz 5) PHB 2500
Symbol of persuasion (Clr/Sor/Wiz 6) PHB 3000
Symbol of sleep (Clr/Sor/Wiz 5) PHB 4000
Symbol of stunning (Clr/Sor/Wiz 7) PHB 3500
Symbol of weakness (Clr/Sor/Wiz 7) PHB 3500
Teleportation circle (Sor/Wiz 9) PHB 4500
Wall of fire (Drd 5, Fire/Sor/Wiz 4) PHB 2000
Wall of force (Sor/Wiz 5) PHB 2500
Web (Sor/Wiz 2) PHB 1000

[deuxhero]

Animate Rope is semi-officially (It's a suggestion for DMs rather than actual rules) opened to Permanacy in this web article.

[Endarire]

Try using [ TT ] and [ /TT ] for your table.

[kitep]

Just a reminder - you haven't included the 1st PHB spell list, the one starting with Arcane Sight, Comprehend Language, etc.

[kitep]

Can you note in the handbook which spells use the psionic power Incarnate to become permanent?  My DM doesn't use the psionics=magic.

For easy reference, the powers listed under Incarnate (XPH-90) are
Aura Sight
Conceal Thoughts
Danger Sense
Detect Psionics
Detect Remote Viewing
Detect Teleportation
Elfsight
Know Direction and Location
My Light
Psionic Darkvision
Psionic Tongues
Ubiquitous Vision

Thanks

[Nytemare3701]

Added the PHB stuff, I'll work on formatting and seperating psionics later.

[Nytemare3701]

Finished the tables.

[kitep]

Looks good.  Thanks again for doing this.

You can put PHB in the list of "checked books".

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

Odd. Forum ate my post. Citation on the CA disallowing TB spells' permanency? The page number you need is 84

other fixes:
G Magic Fang cost
Last entry needs a tab

Its not hard to reverse engineer the costs: (main list)x500

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

DISTRACTING SHADOWS
 Evocation [Darkness]
 Level: Bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 1
 Components: V, M
 Casting Time: 1 standard action
 Range: Touch
 Target: Object touched
 Duration: 24 hours (D)
 Saving Throw: None
 Spell Resistance: No
 This spell causes an object to radiate distracting shadows in a 10-foot-radius spread. Casual scrutiny of an affected area doesn’t reveal anything out of the ordinary; however, cracks, crannies, corners, hidden traps, and secret entrances or exits within the area become harder to spot.

 Creatures within the area or looking into it are subliminally confused by the distracting shadows, and take a –5 penalty on all Spot and Search checks. However, the shadows do not provide sufficient concealment for a creature to make a Hide check.

 Distracting shadows counters or dispels any light or darkness spell of equal or lower level.

 Distracting shadows can be made permanent with a permanency spell (minimum caster level 10th; cost 1,000 XP)

[Iainuki]

Sense of the dragon (RDr 117) is a valid target for permanency.

[kitep]

Added both Distracting Shadows and Sense of the Dragon to the handbook.