Rebuking to Turning

[Wiggins]

Hi, Is there a way for an Evil Cleric to channel Positive Energy?

I'm looking at giving an Evil cleric the ability to Turn rather than Rebuke Undead?
Is this possible without houseruling or DM fiat?

Failing that, is there a way for him to at least qualify for feats that require Turn Undead? Have I missed a paragraph somewhere that lets him qualify? Or some feat to at least do this?

[Wiggins]

Possibly by using Heroic Channeling (faiths of eberron) and some kind of action point economy build?

Anyone have any hints on related resources?

I think I remember somewhere it said that for most cases Luck Re-rolls (from Complete Scoundrel) were interchangeable with extra Action Points for prestige requirements etc., but I can't find it.

[spacemonkey555]

All the divine feats work fine with either per CD p 77.
What feat are you trying to qualify for?

[Wiggins]

In this case, Sacred Vitality is pretty important, thanks for the reference, but I can't see that it helps me? It doesn't say anywhere  on that page that Rebuke counts as Turn or vice versa

[Wiggins]

I've looked around, and I think I can make this work (yes I know it's not optimal, but it isn't THAT far below the level of the group)

Warlock 1
Cloistered Cleric of Shar 1
Sorcerer 3
Monk 1

which is the level he'd be brought in at if my current character gets himself killed at the rate expected

Prestige Class which advances Arcane Spellcasting or both Divine and Arcane Spellcasting 1
Prestige Classes which advance Divine Spellcasting or both Divine and Warlock 8
Prestige Classes which advance Warlock or Divine and Warlock 5

And trying to fit in all of the following feats;
Draconic Heritage (White)
White Dragon Lineage
Raging Luck
Heroic Channeling
Sacred Vitality
Ascetic Mage
Instinctive Darkness
Blend into Shadows

Anyone got any bright ideas to bring this into line?

[Tenebrous Apostle]

What are you trying to achieve with this? There is a vaugeness in the air around this build.. If turning is so important why don't you try grabing Fire or Cold Domains that offer turning AND rebuking in a way (Planar touchstone will help)? Also I'd change the Warlock part with a dragonfire adept AND FOR GODS SAKE GET RID OF THE MONK LVL!! Then you can make a decent Eldritch theurge and everyone goes home happy unless cleric spellcasting is also vital

[Wiggins]

Agreed, I was throwing together ideas in a hurry, and did some silly things.

1. I want Warlock abilities.
2. I want to be first and foremost a Cleric of Shar, but I don't much like advancing as a Cleric so would rather do it through prestige classes.
3. The above 2 interact well based on the idea of Shadows, and I really liked the ritual involving running around in Shadows taking Con damage.
4. One way to get around Con damage is Sacred Vitality. I'm a Cleric. I should have this.
5. Damn, I'm an evil cleric, I don't think I can have Sacred Vitality, I must find a work around.
6. Haha, Eberron action points. Heroic Channelling. Damn, I'm not playing in an Eberron campaign, our DM took away our automatically gaining action points at 5th level, and now occassionally awards them as karma. At least he's not against the idea.
7. Rages and Frenzies can get you a free action point through Raging Luck! Damn, when raging you can't use actions like the Supernatural Ability to Turn Undead, of Heroically Channel your way to a minute's ability damage immunity.
8. Sorcerers related to angry angry White Dragons via 2 feats can!
9. (And this is where it gets very silly) If you have 3 ranks in Sorcerer anyway, you may as well advance it once more, and get yourself Ascetic Mage so you can use those silly spells to actually hit something from time to time.

If we take back Step 9. Get rid of the monk level, forget advancing Sorcerer beyond 3, forget Ascetic Mage, and just concentrate on being the best Cleric of Shar Hellfire Warlock with sorcerer raging for free lucky ability to be immune to ability damage? Is it still a stupid idea? 3 Levels and 5 feats for an ability damage workaround. Probably not worth it?

[Jackinthegreen]

Would Strongheart Vest work?  You mentioned Con damage, so reducing it by 1 should get you somewhere.

[Wiggins]

It's a high level chakra though, aren't they normally 18th level via a feat or maybe 15th as a class feature? I'd rather have the ability much earlier, say by 9th level.

[Jackinthegreen]

True, it is a bit late.  Through the feat it's 18th level, and through a class it's 14th.

If you can afford a single level dip, be a Binder and bind Naberius.

Hang on a sec though, which ability are you using that causes Con damage?  If it's one that doesn't require not being immune to the damage, just use the spell Sheltered Vitality.

[Wiggins]

You know, I probably will just use that spell, le sigh

[Jackinthegreen]

It doesn't have the Good descriptor on it, so anyone can cast it.  Anyone being those able to cast Cleric 3 or Druid 4 of course, but you get my point.