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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #80 on: March 02, 2012, 06:07:17 PM »
If you can research Venomfire, then Fleshraker is just broken.
Honestly, I'm not going for "obviously broken". Broken stuff, is partly why it is a core-only game. Fleshraker would be cool, but I would not even attempt to learn Venomfire before near-epic levels. But Sculpt Spell gives me a more subtle kind of brokenness, no?

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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2012, 05:47:32 AM »
Yeah, 'stealth strong' is something that gets asked for a lot on these forums but lots of people read it as 'horribly broken'.


Druid basically writes itself.  One thing I might suggest is having a theme, and researching spells mostly from that theme.  It'll make your GM happy, and druid lends itself naturally to it in any case (wind druid = quite effective battlefield controls that hold things still for boosted blasting, animal druid = necromancer but with living things (dinosaurs!), earth druid = immune to anything if there's dirt around to glide in, best druid battlefield controls, plant druid = good mix of BFC, debuff/kill, and minions, hell even use your one special thing on that feat and be 'undead druid'), you'll get nerfed less than if you try to cherrypick and it'll probably be more fun.  Problems are more fun when you restrict yourself.  'How do I solve this orc fort with every druid spell' is less hard and interesting than 'How do I solve this orc fort with 1d20 dinosaurs per round?'.

EDIT:  Hell, if you wanted to go with 'Cold Druid' he'd probably let you research new spells(create new spells) along that line, and if you defined 'Lord of the Uttercold' as a feat chain starting with 'undead druid', you'd have some hilariously broken stuff on your hands and an interesting theme.  'Animate Animals', anyone?
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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2012, 06:27:51 AM »
If you can research Venomfire, then Fleshraker is just broken.

I looked up Venomfire...  I got a headache.  Thank you for breaking my brain!

On a serious note though, core has a lot of unbalancing stuff in it already.  Nixing splatbooks for "balance" purposes doesn't tend to work, especially when it comes to clerics, druids, and wizards.

With a druid, you could start off with a riding dog companion to trip things up.  Upgrade to cheetah or wolf when you get the chance.  Or the dino like I said earlier on page 2.

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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2012, 07:19:15 AM »
Core is easier to control in that you can spot-ban.

There's less material to read over, especially if it's someone who doesn't use pdfs and may not have physical copies of books available.

I personally use the consensus method, but oh wells.

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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2012, 04:46:18 PM »
Yeah, 'stealth strong' is something that gets asked for a lot on these forums but lots of people read it as 'horribly broken'.


Druid basically writes itself.  One thing I might suggest is having a theme, and researching spells mostly from that theme.  It'll make your GM happy, and druid lends itself naturally to it in any case (wind druid = quite effective battlefield controls that hold things still for boosted blasting, animal druid = necromancer but with living things (dinosaurs!), earth druid = immune to anything if there's dirt around to glide in, best druid battlefield controls, plant druid = good mix of BFC, debuff/kill, and minions, hell even use your one special thing on that feat and be 'undead druid'), you'll get nerfed less than if you try to cherrypick and it'll probably be more fun.  Problems are more fun when you restrict yourself.  'How do I solve this orc fort with every druid spell' is less hard and interesting than 'How do I solve this orc fort with 1d20 dinosaurs per round?'.

EDIT:  Hell, if you wanted to go with 'Cold Druid' he'd probably let you research new spells(create new spells) along that line, and if you defined 'Lord of the Uttercold' as a feat chain starting with 'undead druid', you'd have some hilariously broken stuff on your hands and an interesting theme.  'Animate Animals', anyone?
What is "stealth strong"?
How the hell do you get 1d20 dinosaurs per round???

I like the theme idea, I'll work on it.

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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2012, 11:21:19 PM »
"Stealth strong" is something that seems weak initially or in normal circumstances but is very powerful  if used properly.

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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #86 on: March 04, 2012, 03:49:39 PM »
I was looking at greenbound summoning. MY GOD is this powerful. Especially at level 5. Seriously.

Does anyone know of any official ruling regarding line of effect or line of sight in regards to Wall of Thorns?

Edit: I could just summon 1d4+1 peons and shut down casters like there is no tomorrow. I see a theme coming to me. The druid eco-terrorist. LOL.
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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #87 on: March 04, 2012, 05:10:30 PM »
Yeah, that's basically how you use that feat.

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Re: Core-only caster with an interesting twist . . . (Need help)
« Reply #88 on: March 04, 2012, 06:54:09 PM »
enveloping pit filled with dinosaurs

gate the plane of infinite dinosaurs

dinosaur stampede spell

twin empowered maximised blistering summon nature's ally followed by quickened sculpted empowered summon nature's ally