Alternate Form question

[zook1shoe]

In the Rules Compendium, alternate form grants you the physical ability scores of the chosen form. But not the new type or nearly any subtype.

What happens when someone chooses an incorporeal form?

What about a form with no Constitution such as undead?


Example- imps can choose 1-2 forms up to medium size. stupid errata, Malaugryms still can do this I think (afb)

[zook1shoe]

*bump*

[littha]

1. I imagine you would end up as a bizarre non-Incorporeal version of the creature... This would be bad as a lot of naturally incorporeal creatures have Str - and thus you would be completely disabled...
2. You would get Con: - if you alternate formed into an undead/construct because you would have its physical ability scores. This would get you a pile of immunities (Immune to any effect that requires a fort save and doesn't affect objects, ability damage, ability drain and energy drain)

[nijineko]

wouldn't undead be a type change?

and incorporeal be a sub-type change?

[littha]

You can choose an undead/incorporeal creature to change into, you just retain your previous types/subtypes. Like wildshape with animals.

[nijineko]

oh, interesting. i missed that subtle wrinkle.

however, would that not mean that they do not gain any of the abilities described under the undead type / incorporeal sub-type entries?

[zook1shoe]

oh, interesting. i missed that subtle wrinkle.

however, would that not mean that they do not gain any of the abilities described under the undead type / incorporeal sub-type entries?

this is exactly the problem

[nijineko]

then that undead shroud spell or that other spell that grants undead qualities would enable you to finish faking it.