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Offline Nanshork

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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #40 on: August 22, 2012, 12:28:17 AM »
Feral Antropomorpic baleen whale 1/2 Golem Incarnate Construct
+24 Str, +2 Dex, -10 Int, +6 Wis, -6Cha


Not bad, but I believe that's a 3HD critter.
I believe you are right ... (the guy I copypastad never came back around)

So the Feral Anthro-Bat version still works.


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There's a couple of different ways to Cure the
ability damage from Festering Anger disease.
Now can you Cause That Disease ?
If so, it's a +2 Str per day.  Better be mad at string theory thingies.

Nothing beats broken diseases.  A first level binder can bind Naberius and that would cure the ability damage.

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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #41 on: August 22, 2012, 02:35:23 AM »
Actually, Arcane Fusion specifies sorcerer spells that you know.That entirely changes things. Strictly speaking, you don't actually know Maximized Magic Missile, just Magic Missile and Maximize, so it's incompatible. Miracle has no such limitation.
Nope, it doesn't change a thing.  See, here's the thing about working in shady territory - the things you depend on don't have clear definitions.  "Maximized Magic Missile" isn't a spell anywhere, therefore it's undefined in the rules - trying to argue a rules point using that as your basis is effectively dividing by zero.  Does Miracle as written allow you to cast a metamagic spell?  Possibly, but if it does, it's solely because "a spell with metamagic applied" is still by rules definition "a spell" - it is not because there's a spell somewhere called "Maximized Magic Missile" that Miracle allows you to cast.   
Maximize Magic Missile is absolutely a spell. It has a different effect from magic missile, is cast by a spellcaster, and can be put into a wand or scroll.

Let me rephrase, since I was apparently unclear. Is Extended Persisted Bite of the Werebear a spell? Is it level 7 or bellow? If the answer to both is yes, then nothing else matters. Period.
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But even putting that bit aside, the errata doesn't say that spells with metamagic are not legal targets (which is what it would have to do to support your claim) it just adjusts the effective level. 
And arcane fusion is a different spell with clearly different text. Rulings on one don't apply to the other. Sorry, just because the effects are similar doesn't mean they're the same.

Think of it like a TCG. How many cards have very similar, but different, effects, and the minor difference in wording leads to a different ruling? I can think of several.
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So, basically your argument falls down on every level.
No, yours does.

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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2012, 01:52:41 PM »
Okay, this is starting to veer severely off-topic and not in a direction anyone really wants, tone-wise. If you want to continue the whole "any spell" line of discussion, request a thread split; if not, just drop it.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2012, 01:54:19 PM by Agita »
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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2012, 07:59:57 PM »
That ** race I highlighted = Str +10

Point Buy = +8

Barb Rage = +4 bonus

Wiz Precocious Apprentice casts Bull's Strength = +4 enhancement

As much of Sor_O's stuff as will still work:
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6732.msg102604#msg102604

I bet there are a few early spells/powers
that give better little boosts.
« Last Edit: August 23, 2012, 08:03:39 PM by awaken_D_M_golem »
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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2012, 12:45:31 AM »
You know I have a thread for this right?

Zook you found the quote. Since PHB races are assumed to be the only automatically allowed races, all the text is saying is that the templates are available for the PCs (who assumably all play medium-sized humanoids from the PHB). It comes with an LA, not a full stat block. Therefore its a template.

@soro The elemental variants however are not templates and only apply as variants to that specific race, much as ACFs are stackable only to the specific class.

And I thought the whole FAQ as rules thing never got cleared up. Its basically a 'here's how we meant everything' which is immensely useful for confusing rules, but neglected to explain its role (unlike the RC).

wow I just /threaded the crap outta this.

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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2012, 02:43:43 AM »
And I thought the whole FAQ as rules thing never got cleared up. Its basically a 'here's how we meant everything' which is immensely useful for confusing rules, but neglected to explain its role (unlike the RC).
FYI, The FAQ is the officially listed under Game Rules which is about a million more times official than you're opinion will ever be. So who cares what you think you could say otherwise.

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Re: Let's Show Some STRENGTH! (Just level 1, though...)
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2012, 03:18:24 AM »
Hey, I'm just going by what I read as RAW. There are several others, in other threads, that have pointed out the exact same thing. But I agree that RAI, they should be allowed for any +0 race as a variant.

That's a really great link though. I'm gonna save it ffr :)

Soro, be nice. The same goes for you... For me, for all of us here... Especially since WotC doesn't give a shit about 3e
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