Base class with all bad saves

[ariasderros]

Is there a base class that has it's base saves as +0 +0 +0?

I am trying to see if I can't have a character enter Survivor PrC at level 2.

[Jackinthegreen]

Commoner.  And yes, the commoner is often used for that exact purpose.

[ariasderros]

Ah, yes, the Commoner.
The only class that makes the person taking it weaker.

Anything better?

Since, y'know, that sucks.

The only other thing I can think of though is that Constructs and Oozes have all bad saves for their racial HD.

[betrayor]

You could take commoner then Survivor and then  retrain that one level of commoner....

[sirpercival]

You realize that if you go AllBadSave 1/Survivor 1 you will no longer qualify for Survivor, right?  You'd have to go ABS 1/Surv 1/ABS 2/Surv +X.

[betrayor]

Yes,but it is the same thing with the Dragon Disciple 10,you are a half-dragon and thus unable to qualify for DD....
I think that the obvious RAI here is to allow for Survivor to finish.....

[ariasderros]

You realize that if you go AllBadSave 1/Survivor 1 you will no longer qualify for Survivor, right?  You'd have to go ABS 1/Surv 1/ABS 2/Surv +X.

Well... crap.

I was thinking of using this for two different purposes.
One would be having a 6th level cohort with all 6 levels of Survivor.
One would be an actual player possibility, "Unkillable PC".

With Psychic Reformation explicitly on the table, as is re-training, at least the second is still possible. The first might not be...

[Jackinthegreen]

Yes,but it is the same thing with the Dragon Disciple 10,you are a half-dragon and thus unable to qualify for DD....
I think that the obvious RAI here is to allow for Survivor to finish.....

Yeah, that's one of the more RAWtarded bits of D&D.  I think they need an extra part for prestige classes:  "If any acquired feature or ability of a prestige class would prevent you from being able to qualify for the class, you still retain all class features and abilities."

[betrayor]

Yes,but it is the same thing with the Dragon Disciple 10,you are a half-dragon and thus unable to qualify for DD....
I think that the obvious RAI here is to allow for Survivor to finish.....

Yeah, that's one of the more RAWtarded bits of D&D.  I think they need an extra part for prestige classes:  "If any acquired feature or ability of a prestige class would prevent you from being able to qualify for the class, you still retain all class features and abilities."

That's how we always played it in our groups....
I even think a FAQ has the same rule you suggested somewhere so it is somewhat official....

[awaken_D_M_golem]

You realize that if you go AllBadSave 1/Survivor 1 you will no longer qualify for Survivor, right?  You'd have to go ABS 1/Surv 1/ABS 2/Surv +X.

Oh that's just not fair ... 


Construct or Ooze, with a touch of awaken.

[altpersona]

bloodlines?