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Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« on: November 23, 2012, 02:14:35 AM »
3.0 Incantatrix made you into an Abjurer.  You lost a school or schools of magic (3.0 banned schools were handled differently), but gained a bonus spell slot per level per day to fill with an abjuration spell.

If you were already a specialist in another school, you basically became a dual specialist.  You still had to lose an additional school to become an abjurer, but you gained two bonus spell slots of each level per day (one abjuration, one your other specialized school).

What happens when you combine that effect with Focused Specialist?  Should the focused specialist part apply to both schools?  Or only your original specialty school?

(Granted, I know this is house-rule territory, as most people completely disregard 3.0 stuff at this point.  Just looking for opinions of how I should handle this.)

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Re: Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 03:57:43 AM »
Even restricted to 3.5, the 1st changeling wizard substitution level (Races of Eberron) makes you a specialist in both illusion and transmutation. 

If you're interested in doing some homebrew for master specialist …

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Re: Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 09:01:47 AM »
Even restricted to 3.5, the 1st changeling wizard substitution level (Races of Eberron) makes you a specialist in both illusion and transmutation. 
True... But it still only gives you one bonus spell slot per day.

Though I guess the issue at hand isn't how many bonus slots you get from just being a specialist, but how many you get from Focused Specialist...

This will take some google fu to find discussions on the changling.  Thanks for the lead!

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Re: Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 09:34:57 AM »
Focused Specialist is a wizard base class alternate class feature, and hence should only apply to that IMO.
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Re: Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 10:12:44 AM »
Focused Specialist is a wizard base class alternate class feature, and hence should only apply to that IMO.
Even the conversations I found only gave you the extra slots once (but as a Dual Specialist, you got to pick which school to put in any given bonus slot).  I agree, you should only get the bonus slots once, and given the way 3.0 Incanatrix picks up the extra school specialization, the focused slots should only apply to your original school. (As per clarification from the writer, Sean K. Reynolds, you don't have to pick abjuration spells with your two free spells per level, but do get the bonus spell slot per day).

So, if a normal wizard got 4 spell slots of a given level, a specialist would get 4+1, a Focused Specialist would get 3+3, and a Focused Specialist/3.0 Incantatrix would get 3+3+1 (but have four prohibited schools).

Sounds good and reasonable to me.  Just wanted to make sure.

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Re: Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2012, 05:48:33 PM »
Even restricted to 3.5, the 1st changeling wizard substitution level (Races of Eberron) makes you a specialist in both illusion and transmutation. 
But doesn't focused specialist and changeling wizard sub both change the same base class feature?

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Re: Focused Specalist + 3.0 Incantatrix...
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2012, 08:52:55 PM »
Even restricted to 3.5, the 1st changeling wizard substitution level (Races of Eberron) makes you a specialist in both illusion and transmutation. 
But doesn't focused specialist and changeling wizard sub both change the same base class feature?
Not really.  When you become a Dual Specialist, you are still a specialist, and thus still qualify for focused specialist, and vise versa.