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Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« on: December 28, 2012, 05:11:39 PM »
Looking for a way in which a character captured by the Unseelie Court would have gotten level drained.  Anyone know of a Fey that either inflicts negative levels (permanently; enervation won't cut it), or can control undead, and thus would have an undead minion that could do it?

I could always just give one Ur-Priest levels, but was hoping one had the ability naturally.

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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 05:28:52 PM »
Ragewalker (MMIII) can control / rebuke Living Spells.  Perhaps a pet living spell of Energy Drain or something like that?

A quick review of all the fey I can find show they have lots of way to damage / drain your stats, but not your actual levels.  I'll hunt through a couple more books though.

Edit:  Mistling template from Forge of War (Eberron splatbook) is a template that can be applied to any fey and gives them the ability to conjure living spells.
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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 05:48:15 PM »
Yeah, I saw the rage walker as I was skimming through the books.  I sadly don't have Forge of War.
Aside from that template, is it ever described how living spells come into being?

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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 06:26:38 PM »
Living spells were originally a byproduct of the Last War in Eberron.  Though how you would want to situate them in your own game?  They were reprinted in MMIII, so maybe that has some tips on how to implement them in a non-setting specific kind of way.

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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 07:01:32 PM »
Sticks and Stones is a level 3 wizard spell from Shining South that temporarily creates a pseudo-skeleton with a wight's energy draining attack. It should be pretty easy to get a fey who can cast that somehow.
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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 11:34:50 PM »
Sticks and Stones is a level 3 wizard spell from Shining South that temporarily creates a pseudo-skeleton with a wight's energy draining attack. It should be pretty easy to get a fey who can cast that somehow.
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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 11:36:47 PM »
Sticks and Stones is a level 3 wizard spell from Shining South that temporarily creates a pseudo-skeleton with a wight's energy draining attack. It should be pretty easy to get a fey who can cast that somehow.
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I've had that one on my "must use this" list for a while now, but still haven't gotten around to using it... :P
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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2012, 12:06:01 AM »
There's actually a weak-point in using that spell.

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The creature’s combat statistics are those of a 2 HD humanoid skeleton, except that it also has a wight’s energy drain supernatural ability (see the Skeleton and Wight entries in the Monster Manual for details).

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Energy Drain (Su)
Living creatures hit by a wight’s slam attack gain one negative level. The DC is 14 for the Fortitude save to remove a negative level. The save DC is Charisma-based. For each such negative level bestowed, the wight gains 5 temporary hit points.

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A skeleton’s Dexterity increases by +2, it has no Constitution or Intelligence score, its Wisdom changes to 10, and its Charisma changes to 1.

(Su) abilities have their DC set to 10 +1/2 HD +ability mod.
A 2-HD undead with a charisma of 1 means the Fort DC to remove the negative levels is only 6.

Even if a 10th level fighter were taking a -9 penalty to the Fort save from having 9 levels drained, he's still likely to pass the save on a 4 or better on the die.  (Base +7, +3 Con, +1 magic).

Still, there's no save to remove it until the next day, and unlike a wight, the skeleton can attack twice per round.  So, still a decent spell in combat, though there isn't really any good way to boost its abilities (as it is basically a construct).  Or does it actually count as undead? I doubt it.

So, it's not perfect for my purposes, but it will suffice if there are no other options that come to light.

(I want to take a former player's character hostage and use it as leverage with the party, then take him out of the picture, so far as adventuring with the party as a DMPC, by level draining him to a point where it would be suicide for him to join the party after he is freed.)

Of course, the entire point of that would be made moot by the party casting Sending, contacting a Hathran, and asking her to cast greater restoration on him...

Darn me having the PC's save the world...
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Re: Any fey that deals negative levels, or can control undead?
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 12:09:10 AM »
How odd. I'd only ever considered using it in combat, and not for permanent level drain. So I'd not noticed how low the save DC would be, as normally you don't care for combat... as whatever you're fighting is hopefully dead long before having to make that save. :P
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