Statting Fate/stay night + Fate/zero

[Prime32]

This thread will contain spoilers.
EDIT: No, watching the anime does not mean you're safe from spoilers, that's only about a third of the story. Read this.

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[Prime32]

Saber Lv20

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LG Silverbrow human saint Paladin 2/Psychic warrior 17
Feats: Blind-Fight, Focused Sunder, Improved Sunder, Mental Leap, Power Attack, Practiced Manifester (psychic warrior), Psionic Weapon
Powers: burst, revitalise legacy
Equipment: Excalibur, +3 mithral called death ward breastplate, +2 eager blurstrike dragonshard weapon crystal, mantle of spell resistance

Legacy Item: Excalibur, The Sword of Promised Victory
+5 holy surge dissipater holy dwarvencraft longsword (w/ greater weapon augment crystal of illumination)

Non-legacy statistics: +1 dwarvencraft longsword (w/ greater weapon augment crystal of illumination)

Least
Attack/damage boost: +1 Attack/damage per 3 levels vs. opposed alignments
Psionic Focus: Always treated as psionically focused for one feat (2)
Ride: Spur mount without dealing damage
Speed Enhancement +10ft (2)

Lesser
Cunning: Never flat-footed
Continual wind: Gust of wind at will
Weapon Enhancement (2)
Obscurity: Obscure object on item
Uncanny Dodge

Greater
Ability Enhancement +6: Charisma
Empower Power
Freedom of Movement
Weapon Enhancement (2)

Epic
SLA: Transcend Mortality

Invisible Air, Barrier of the Wind King: Gust of wind, Attach/remove dragonshard weapon crystal from Excalibur
Avalon, The Everdistant Utopia: Transcend mortality SLA
Caliburn, The Golden Sword of Destined Victory: Holy devastator

Instinct, Rank A: Blind-Fight
Prana Burst, Rank A: Focused Sunder, Mental Leap, Psionic Weapon

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Rin Tohsaka Lv16

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Human ardent 4/human paragon (Skill: Use Psionic Device) 3/monk 2/unarmed swordsage 2/psi-abjurant champion 5

Feats: Damp Power, Imprint Stone, Overchannel, Practiced Manifester (ardent), Psicrystal Affinity, Psychic Meditation, Talented
Powers: animal affinity, biofeedback, burst, concussion blast, detonate psicrystal, energy ray, hammer
Equipment: Jewel Sword Zelretch, various power stones, zettai ryouiki of +6 Charisma

Minor Artefact: Jewel Sword Zelretch
This weapon functions as a +1 shortsword. In addition, the wielder can draw power points from it as if it were a cognizance crystal - these power points are never exhausted, and there is no limit on the number of points which can be drawn at once, other than the wielder's manifester level.

Gandr: concussion blast
Gems: Power stones
Reinforcement: animal affinity, biofeedback, burst, hammer

The end result is an lv16 character with ML20 while Overchanneling (but few power points), and access to 5th-level maneuvers.

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Gilgamesh Lv20 Gestalt

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Human SP Ghost 2/Arcane duelist 10/Sorcerer 8//Warblade 1/Sorcerer 10/Bloodstorm blade 3/Master of the unseen hand 5/Warblade +1
Feats: Landlord, Power Attack
Spells: Brilliant aura^CD
Equipment: +2 force bastard sword (designated as Chosen Weapon for Arcane Duelist), portable hole filled with sianghams.

Gate of Babylon: Cast brilliant aura to envelop all your weapons, then throw them with telekinesis. Optionally add Flurry of Swords.
Enuma Elish: Thundrous Throw + lightning throw.
Vimana: Flying stronghold

You limn your allies in a glowing nimbus, transforming their attacks into brilliant energy. Each person affected by this aura gives off light as a torch (20 foot radius). Their weapon attacks (melee or ranged) function as if their weapons were brilliant energy weapons: they ignore nonliving matter, and armor and enhancement AC bonuses do not count against them. The attacks cannot harm undead, constructs, or objects. In addition, all attacks gain an enhancement bonus on damage equal to one-half the caster's level (maximum +10).

The SpC version is an lv7/8 spell and works a little differently.
Vow of Poverty would allow Gilgamesh to treat all the weapons he throws as magical instead of having to enchant each of them. This becomes less necessary with brilliant aura. It is, however, highly ironic.

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Berserker (Fate/Zero) Lv21 Gestalt

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LG (LM) Changeling Ex-barbarian (lion totem) 1/Human paragon (Use Magic Device) 1/Unarmed swordsage 2/Warblade 17//Halo Knight 10/War mind 1/Slayer (favoured enemy: Saber) 9/Psychic warrior 1
Feats: Deflect Arrows, Extra Rage, Improved Toughness, Power Attack, Practiced Manifester (war mind), Racial Emulation, Sacred Vow, Track, Vow of Poverty
Bonus Feats: Combat Reflexes^Warblade, Diehard^Warblade, Endurance^Warblade, Favoured Avatar (the weapon master)^{Halo Knight}, Improved Initiative^Warblade, Improved Unarmed Strike^Swordsage
Epic Feats: Epic Skill Focus (Use Magic Device), Infinite Deflection^{Psychic warrior}
VoP Exalted Feats: Defender of the Homeland, Knight of the Red Falcon, Nymph's Kiss, Righteous Wrath, Vow of Chastity, Vow of Obedience
Flaws: Hatred, Implacable
Powers (lv4 PW, ML 13): Concealing Amorpha, Defensive Precognition, Endorphin Surge, Dispatch, Physical Acceleration, Zealous Fury
Powers (lv1 PW, ML 1): Burst
Maneuvers (Warblade 18, IL 19): ?
Maneuvers (Swordsage 1, IL 11): ?

Idealised Weapon: Arondight
+1 holy psychokinetic longsword of dragon bane (+6 weapon w/ Vow of Poverty)

Skilled combatant with massive ability scores, and cannot be scried. Can pick up any object and treat it as a +6 weapon. He can also take the weapons of others and use them as if he were the original wielder in most cases (this doesn't violate VoP as long as he doesn't hold on to them). In emergencies he can expend his psionic focus to ? (also ending his mental defences granted by slayer levels) then draw his Idealised Weapon.

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Archer Lv20

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Psychic warrior 20

Improved Feint
Overchannel
Psionic Meditation
Two-Weapon Fighting
(Some mantra feat)

Deceptive Mind Blade
Form Mind Blade
Improved Shape Mind Blade
Material Harmonics
Reforge Mind Blade
Resonant Blade x2
Shape Mind Blade
Soulblade Warrior
Throw Mind Blade

Barrage
Dueling Ground
Mirror Shot
The Arrow Knows the Way

Gloves of the Balanced Hand

Unlimited Blade Works: Dueling Ground (Overchanneled + augmented)


This build has a mind blade with a +10 equivalent enhancement, which can be drawn as a swift action (also granting a free feint and charge for a +2d6 psychic strike). It can change the enhancements and material as a full-round action, and change the shape as a swift action (the blade can be split into two +9 weapons).

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Sakura Lv20

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N Human (major devil bloodline) Binder 1/Warlock 4/Conduit of the Lower Planes (Bone, Carnage x2, Violation, Voracity) 9/Hellfire warlock 3
Feats: Fiend Cabalist, Practiced Spellcaster (warlock)

[Shining Phoenix]

Rin Tohsaka Lv16

I think that this evaluation of Rin's capabilities is more than a little bit off. In the source material, Rin is not capable of flying, and a "sixteenth level character" who can't fly (or equivalent) is going to have serious trouble with the vast majority of sixteenth level enemies. Sixth or seventh level seems more appropriate, if that.

[dna1]

Fate stay night was awesome, never heard of fate zero. Any good? Perhaps I will download some 

[Prime32]

Fate stay night was awesome, never heard of fate zero. Any good? Perhaps I will download some 

You are referring to Fate/stay night as if it was something you could download some of. Meaning you have only watched the anime. Meaning you have only seen a condensed version of the first, weakest part of the story, the Fate route. (Fate/zero assumes knowledge of the entire story, and has an incredible density of spoilers)

Here's a Let's Play: http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/

[dna1]

Thats interesting, whats a 'Lets play' supposed to be?

Yes I have only watched the Anime. Is there something more?

[Shining Phoenix]

Yes I have only watched the Anime. Is there something more?

Fate/Stay Night is a visual novel first, then an anime series, then a manga, then an anime film...

Also, Fate/Zero is the prequel, which was a book, and is now also an anime series.

[Prime32]

Found some old work I did on converting Servant stats to D&D numbers.

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And I'm still not quite clear on what the numbers under rank value mean. Should we assume that to be like D&D stats (where 10 is average human, 18 is superhuman and 30+ is godly)? Doesn't seem like it, as it's stated that even E is beyond normal humans.

If we assume that the normal human maximum has a value of 5 then

E (10) - 2x
D (20) - 4x
C (30) - 6x
B (40) - 8x
A (50) - 10x

An ability score boost of +5 is equivalent to a doubling, and the normal max is 18, so that means
E - 23
D - 28
C - 31
B - 33
A - 36

Or we could round it off for modifiers, and tone down an E-rank to being equivalent to an ability score of 20. A more even progression would be:
E: +5 (20)
D: +7 (24)
C: +9 (28)
B: +11 (32)
A: +13 (36)
As a bonus this means that Mad Enhancement (which increases stats by one rank) matches up in strength with barbarian rage, its D&D equivalent.

For magic weapons and armour
E: +1
D: +2
C: +3
B: +4
A: +5
EX: +6 or higher
(a bane/holy/etc. weapon adds a "+", so a +5 holy undead bane weapon is A++)

[Prime32]

And here's some rules for running a F/SN game in Mutants & Masterminds 2e (no one said this section was restricted to D&D). Credits to (Amber)Vael and Neon Knight.

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Masters: PL9 with 190pp (60pp must be spent on Magic and Devices)
Servants: PL12, with one power at PL14

Powers related to Command Seals, etc. need not be statted. Servants receive the following power for free

Insubstantial, Rank 4.
Action: Uses a standard action to switch between material and immaterial.
Limitation: may not be used to pass through organic matter, or magical/magically reinforced barriers.

Variants:

• Stunt bonuses. Good, cool descriptions of what you're doing equal bonuses to rolls. (8)
• Challenges (essentially, take a penalty on certain checks to to gain greater results when you succeed). (12)
• Speed and Jumping variant. (23)
• Energy Points (72). There's a difference here though- you gain energy points equal to ten times your constitution score, but regain a number equal to your constitution score every half hour while performing no strenuous activity, and gain twice that while resting. Masters may transfer energy points in a ritual that is one minute in length and that requires constant contact (with at least one hand) to the transferee (though they may not give another more power points than they would normally be capable of possessing). Energy Points are used to power Powers- each time you use a power, you use a number of Energy Points equal to half the power point cost of the power. Maintaining a Power with a sustained or continuous duration requires the expenditure of the appropriate number of Energy Points each round it is maintained. You can buy extra Energy Points at the cost of 1 power point per 20 extra energy points.
• Each character can get one basic strike/blast power that does not require Energy Points to use. (Use of multiple feats and extras to modify the power may disqualify strikes from the energy point free clause).
• You can get special equipment that stores Energy Points for 1 power point per extra 30 energy points. It does not naturally regain Energy Points, and can only be refilled via Energy Point transfer. Utilizing this extra energy requires holding the appropriate object in hand and draining the stored Energy with a free action as part of the use of a power. Alternately, a Master may use a transfer power ritual to transfer energy points from the equipment to another target.
• Servants without masters or otherwise disconnected from their masters do not regain Energy Points naturally, and in fact lose them at a rate of 5 per day (one such a servant's points reach 0, they vanish as if slain).
• Servants may regain Energy Points by killing others. When a Servant kills a target, they may choose to drain the victim with a one minute ritual (requiring constant contact involving at least one hand) that give the Servant a number of Energy Points equal to the amount the target had at death. Average humans have 1 energy point per point in constitution.
• Servants may use transfer from Masters, Energy Point Equipment, or their Energy Point draining ability to store energy points equal to their normal maximum plus 50% (rounded down). Once these extra Energy Points are used, Servants do not regain them naturally.
• Devices cost 6 points per rank, cannot be lost, and do not require energy points.

Some of my own additions to said rules:

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Magic Resistance
Effect: Trait
Range: Personal
Cost: 5pts/rank
Action: Reaction
Duration: Instant

Whenever a power with the Magic descriptor is used on you, you may choose to reduce its rank by an amount up to your ranks in this power.

You may not have more than 9 ranks in this power (representing rank-A Magic Resistance).

Nullify with the Range: Personal Flaw, and the Action: Reaction, No Saving Throw and Impassable Counter Extras. Capped so that you can be immune to Masters' magic but Caster can still hurt you.

For Masters and the Magic Resistance power:

FSN	M&M
E-rank	1-2 ranks
D-rank	3-4 ranks
C-rank	5-6 ranks
B-rank	7-8 ranks
A-rank	9 ranks

For Servants:

FSN	M&M
E-rank	1-3 ranks
D-rank	4-6 ranks
C-rank	7-9 ranks
B-rank	10-12 ranks
A-rank	13-14 ranks

An ability ranked C+ is a B rank ability with the Limited flaw applied to enough ranks that it drops to rank C most of the time. A rank C++ is an A rank ability affected in the same way.

[Shining Phoenix]

Found some old work I did on converting Servant stats to D&D numbers.

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And I'm still not quite clear on what the numbers under rank value mean. Should we assume that to be like D&D stats (where 10 is average human, 18 is superhuman and 30+ is godly)? Doesn't seem like it, as it's stated that even E is beyond normal humans.

If we assume that the normal human maximum has a value of 5 then

E (10) - 2x
D (20) - 4x
C (30) - 6x
B (40) - 8x
A (50) - 10x

I thought human average for parameters was supposed to be 1 (And even an E is, in fact, supposed to be beyond an ordinary human), so approximately:

Rank	Score	+	++
E	27	32	34
D	32	37	40
C	34	40	42
B	37	42	45
A	40	45	48

For Strength = Strength, Agility = Dexterity, and Endurance = Constitution.  (Note that this gives Hercules only 25% of the strength he has in Deities and Demigods, and doesn't even quite let him lift 13 tons)

Mana is magical-ness, and is basically a universal casting stat, following the same pattern.

Noble Phantasm is basically how good your best magic item is.

Luck is, well, luck. It doesn't have an easy analogue to d20.

[Prime32]

Attempting to stat Command Seals in M&M 2e.

Command Seal [Magic]
Container (5pts/rank) ?
Flaws: Limited (only affects your Servant), Unreliable (5 uses)
?pts

Mind Control (2pts/rank) ?
Extras: Conscious, Poison
Flaws: One Command, Range (Ranged)

Power Feats: Alternate Power x3, Improved Range x?, Indirect
Drawbacks: Noticeable (glows brightly), Progression [Unreliable] x2 (3 uses)
?pts

Power Control (2pts/rank) ?
Extras: Action x3 (Reaction)
Flaws: Duration (Concentration [Lasting]), Limited (only control Insubstantial), Range (Ranged)

Boost [any one trait] (2pts/rank) ?
Extras: Range (Ranged)
Flaws: Others Only

Teleport (2pts/rank) ?
Extras: Portal (2)
Flaws: Duration (Instant), Limited (only to your Servant's location)

[Shining Phoenix]

Attempting to stat Command Seals in M&M 2e.

I'm not familiar with M&M, but... Wouldn't they be best approximated by a flaw on the servant character that let someone make a certain number of absolute orders to them?

[Agita]

Attempting to stat Command Seals in M&M 2e.

I'm not familiar with M&M, but... Wouldn't they be best approximated by a flaw on the servant character that let someone make a certain number of absolute orders to them?

More or less. In my opinion, the best approximation for this kind of thing is a Complication, which doesn't have any defined up-front statistical value (unlike Flaws and Weaknesses, which give you extra points to play with in exchange for mechanical limitations), but instead is a roleplaying limitation. Whenever that limitation comes into play, you get a Hero Point (think Eberron's action points) for your trouble. In vanilla M&M, this is used for secret identities and the like (which it also works for here).
Much simpler and easier to adjudicate, in my opinion, than some stupidly complicated power set that every Master gets. If the absolute order issued is opposed to what the Servant wants to do (it usually is), then the Servant has to carry it out, but gets a Hero Point for it. If the absolute order issued is a bending of reality (such as a blow at full power or summoning the Servant), it's adjudicated ad-hoc (probably by expending a Hero Point on the Master's part and treating it as a power stunt).

[veekie]

Actually, each Command Seal represents one massive chunk of mana. Compelling the Servant with it is possibly one of the worst uses for them, unless your Servant absolutely would not act.
Personally I'd just make them each a free floating pool of points that can be expended to do things to your Servant, but so long as it only affects the Servant, they can be spent any way.