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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #520 on: July 21, 2013, 04:33:48 PM »
This is more a hilarious find than a "fun" one. Another example of the D&D designers being very poor at their job.

Quote from: MMV -> God-Blooded Template -> "Creating God-Blooded Templates"
The template should grant two special abilities in addition to divine endurance. You can add a third if that ability has little direct effect on combat. The Vecna-blooded template provides a good example of such an ability with its cloak of mystery. The cloak adds some interesting story elements to the creature, but it has little effect during a fight.

Emphasis mine.  So... one of the most powerful abilities in the game has little effect on a fight? You mean... the fact that (a) you can get it for free by gaining and then losing the template; (b) it is essential for long-term survival in high-level play; and especially (c) it can give you nigh-unbeatable invisibility, negating true seeing completely... means it's mostly flavorful story elements?

I just really don't know what to say. I read that and started laughing.
True sight isn't attempting to divine information about a specific being. You can see an Vecno-blooded creature with it even if you can't figure out who it is.
A creature's position and what it looks like are certainly pieces of information about that creature. Nothing in Cloak of Mystery says anything about requiring the effect to be specific to the VB creature.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #521 on: July 21, 2013, 04:35:22 PM »
Summon Giants + Ambient Tempest = Eternal Wand of Summon Giants
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #522 on: July 21, 2013, 07:54:26 PM »
Summon Giants + Ambient Tempest = Eternal Wand of Summon Giants
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #523 on: July 21, 2013, 09:33:37 PM »
Its a PrC in Bestiary of Krynn that, at 3rd level, you can reverse an Enlarge, Extend, or Widen Spell to decrease the spell level by 1. Only can be -1 per spell.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #524 on: July 22, 2013, 12:26:25 AM »
Necklace of soul switching (Dragon 294, p77) is interesting. 

You'd be right to point out that the function of this item, putting you into a new body permanently, can already be accomplished by true mind switch or by a combination of mind switch and astral seed (I think that's how that goes).  Those methods, though, don't work if the body you want to get into has more hit dice than you manifester level, and they don't give you the supernatural abilities of the new body. 

The necklace has its own limitations.  The soul to be transferred can only be up to 20th level.  The price tag comes in at a hefty 326,000 gp.  It's actually dangerous for you if the target isn't willing or under your control, so it will forfeit its save.  But, and I can't stress this enough, there's no hit die cap for the body, and you gain its supernatural abilities, both attacks and qualities. 

One application is getting yourself into the tarrasque's body without needing any shenanigans to reduce its hit dice or massively boost your manifester level.  Chronotyryn (Fiend Folio, p33) is already an option for shapechange, but this way you can walk around as a chronotyryn all day without finding a way to squeeze in persistent spell, and you don't have to worry about dispel. 

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #525 on: July 22, 2013, 12:53:48 AM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #526 on: July 22, 2013, 07:38:32 PM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

Now that you mention it, since a necklace of soul switching isn't used up in any way when you transfer a soul with it, someone with mercantile background could buy it for 75% of market price, use it, then sell it for 75% market price. 

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #527 on: July 22, 2013, 07:51:44 PM »
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #528 on: July 22, 2013, 07:58:44 PM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

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Wow... That's so broken it's not even funny. The spell explicitly states that there is NO LIMIT. You can continue the madness forever. Just... Just no. The way this spell is worded, you can create Undead-Pun, you just need an arbitrarily large number of actions and a sure-fire way of getting an arbitrarily large caster level for at least one round, in which you cast animate dead.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #529 on: July 22, 2013, 08:12:41 PM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

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Wow... That's so broken it's not even funny. The spell explicitly states that there is NO LIMIT. You can continue the madness forever. Just... Just no. The way this spell is worded, you can create Undead-Pun, you just need an arbitrarily large number of actions and a sure-fire way of getting an arbitrarily large caster level for at least one round, in which you cast animate dead.
It does have an explicit limit: "Bone craft can only be used to combine a number of corpses equal to the caster’s Intelligence modifier into one composite body". So without infinite stats, you can't make Un-Pun.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #530 on: July 22, 2013, 08:43:27 PM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

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Wow... That's so broken it's not even funny. The spell explicitly states that there is NO LIMIT. You can continue the madness forever. Just... Just no. The way this spell is worded, you can create Undead-Pun, you just need an arbitrarily large number of actions and a sure-fire way of getting an arbitrarily large caster level for at least one round, in which you cast animate dead.
It does have an explicit limit: "Bone craft can only be used to combine a number of corpses equal to the caster’s Intelligence modifier into one composite body". So without infinite stats, you can't make Un-Pun.

Make other composite bodies, a composite body is still a body that can be added to another composite body. It's semantics, but if we're doing TO, it's par for course.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #531 on: July 22, 2013, 08:46:05 PM »
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #532 on: July 22, 2013, 08:54:27 PM »
Necklace of soul switching (Dragon 294, p77) is interesting. 

You'd be right to point out that the function of this item, putting you into a new body permanently, can already be accomplished by true mind switch or by a combination of mind switch and astral seed (I think that's how that goes).  Those methods, though, don't work if the body you want to get into has more hit dice than you manifester level, and they don't give you the supernatural abilities of the new body. 

The necklace has its own limitations.  The soul to be transferred can only be up to 20th level.  The price tag comes in at a hefty 326,000 gp.  It's actually dangerous for you if the target isn't willing or under your control, so it will forfeit its save.  But, and I can't stress this enough, there's no hit die cap for the body, and you gain its supernatural abilities, both attacks and qualities. 

One application is getting yourself into the tarrasque's body without needing any shenanigans to reduce its hit dice or massively boost your manifester level.  Chronotyryn (Fiend Folio, p33) is already an option for shapechange, but this way you can walk around as a chronotyryn all day without finding a way to squeeze in persistent spell, and you don't have to worry about dispel.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #533 on: July 22, 2013, 09:15:22 PM »

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Impressive.  Wonder whether the current wording about adding natural attacks of the base creature means that if you merge five creatures with natural attacks, the composite can make ALL of those natural attacks.  At any rate, the uncapped scaling of this spell can get pretty crazy - Improved Movement could theoretically make one of these things faster than Chuck E. Cheese (pre errata), and just adding Improved Toughness a bunch of times to a high HD composite could create a ludicrous mountain of HP.

Getting the spell could be problematic, but I think that as long as you know it exists, you could use Wish to get a scroll of it.

Also, I think this might give Pun Pun a few more true infinities.

Wonder if there's a way to throw this into an Affinity Field loop via a dead symbiont or something...
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #534 on: July 22, 2013, 09:22:50 PM »
Improved Toughness isn't one of those feats that can be taken multiple times, unfortunately.

Also, does a single round boost to CL help at all when a spell's casting time is 4+ hours?
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #535 on: July 22, 2013, 09:28:31 PM »
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Moment of Travesty... Drop a bunch of creatures into no-time. Only freedom can end it, which deals 3d6 Int/Wis/Cha damage

Obfuscate... Really powerful anti-divination shield

Spirit Guard... Bind a ghost based on a dead body to any object or room. You can choose to bind it forever and it cannot attack you and any creatures you specify.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #536 on: July 22, 2013, 09:29:38 PM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

edit:

make your own customized undead!

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Wow... That's so broken it's not even funny. The spell explicitly states that there is NO LIMIT. You can continue the madness forever. Just... Just no. The way this spell is worded, you can create Undead-Pun, you just need an arbitrarily large number of actions and a sure-fire way of getting an arbitrarily large caster level for at least one round, in which you cast animate dead.

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I'll repost it here, since i figured it is awesome for abuse.

Feral Rearing, feat from Champions of Darkness (Ravenloft supplement). It overrides your type, changing to animal. Has absolutely no pre-reqs. Taken at level 1 (doesn't actually requires you to, but it makes a lot of sense.). Let me say that again: it overrides whatever type you were before? Undead, Aberration, Living Construct, Construct, Fey... Doesn't matter, changes to animal, period. Have you ever thought about making a Tauric Creature using another Tauric Creature as a basis? Now you can. Apply the Tauric Template ad-infinitum, by combining a creature that has the feat with one that doesn't, until satisfaction. Magebred and Warbeast? Ding! Now available to PC's. I don't even want to talk about the fact that you can have, say, outsider RHD, and still be animal type. It's insane.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #537 on: July 22, 2013, 09:37:59 PM »
Mercantile Background saves you like 80k

edit:

make your own customized undead!

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Wow... That's so broken it's not even funny. The spell explicitly states that there is NO LIMIT. You can continue the madness forever. Just... Just no. The way this spell is worded, you can create Undead-Pun, you just need an arbitrarily large number of actions and a sure-fire way of getting an arbitrarily large caster level for at least one round, in which you cast animate dead.
It does have an explicit limit: "Bone craft can only be used to combine a number of corpses equal to the caster’s Intelligence modifier into one composite body". So without infinite stats, you can't make Un-Pun.

Make other composite bodies, a composite body is still a body that can be added to another composite body. It's semantics, but if we're doing TO, it's par for course.
No it doesn't work by the semantics. The restriction is based off corpses, not bodies and the spell explicitly defines composite bodies as collections of corpses.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #538 on: July 22, 2013, 09:45:36 PM »
Check out the post above yours

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #539 on: July 23, 2013, 12:16:31 AM »
Check out the post above yours

make a Sharn Chronotyryn Chocker Phane
The post above mine had pretty much nothing to do with the conversation I was having. We were discussion how many corpses could be added together. The post above mine was discussing type changing.

Also, note that the resulting undead does not get all the special qualities of the base bodies.