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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #800 on: August 21, 2013, 09:37:10 PM »
Speaking of OA, the rules for other races on page 16 of OA state that both elves and gnomes can treat Wu Jen as a favored class instead of illusionist (3.0 gnome favored class instead of 3.5 bard) or wizard (still the elf favored class).  Dwarves can treat either fighter or samurai as their favored class.

I see no mention of hobgoblins in the actual Oriental Adventures book nor its Dragon 318 3.5 update.  It's also not in Rokugan Campaign Setting.  ADMG, are you sure you're not thinking of the rules in J&K Tome stuff?

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #801 on: August 21, 2013, 10:21:30 PM »
No, he's right. Page 203 of Oriental adventures lists hobgoblins as +0 LA.  I would argue, though, that the 3.5 Monster Manual supersedes that. 

Also, thanks awaken_D_M_golem, for directing me to that page.  I've been listing the source for bakemono's level adjustment as Dragon 318.  It's good to see it's in the source book too. 

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #802 on: August 21, 2013, 10:44:47 PM »
Chain Spell:  Any spell that specifies a single target and has a range greater than touch can be chained so as to affect that primary target normally, then arc to a number of secondary targets equal to your caster level (maximum 20).

Animate with the Spirit
Level: Sanctified 4
Range: Medium (100 ft + 10 ft/level)
Target: One corpse with HD equal to or less than your caster level

Kill baddies in the first room or two of a dungeon, then reanimate their corpses with Bralani Eladrin...

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #803 on: August 21, 2013, 10:48:30 PM »
Chain Spell:  Any spell that specifies a single target and has a range greater than touch can be chained so as to affect that primary target normally, then arc to a number of secondary targets equal to your caster level (maximum 20).

Animate with the Spirit
Level: Sanctified 4
Range: Medium (100 ft + 10 ft/level)
Target: One corpse with HD equal to or less than your caster level

Kill baddies in the first room or two of a dungeon, then reanimate their corpses with Bralani Eladrin...

Sadly, the spirit chosen is DM decided.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #804 on: August 21, 2013, 10:51:32 PM »
True, but still fun.  If you killed a bunch of trolls, you now have regenerating trolls fighting on your side, regardless what the animating spirit actually is.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #805 on: August 21, 2013, 11:59:24 PM »
Yes, but even so, the spirit called is one with the same alignment as you... And the spell says they'll attack regardless, so eh... How many DM's will actually randomly choose a different 6HD or less outsider from the same alignment as you just to spite your choice? This means they'll have to open up the MM or look it up in a splatbook somewhere, when they probably don't have anything in mind really, and it's just that much easier to just go to the page number and manual you point them to, rather than go and look elsewhere... Yeah, they'll probably grant you what you asked for.

OK, Fun Find:

The Ritual of Crucimigration, the one that turns you into a necropolitan, makes you lose a level, and then lose 1000xp.

Now here's the thing. The text says...

"If the loss of this much XP forces the necropolitan to lose another level, then it loses another level. No spell, not even restoration, can restore this lost XP. Petitioners may not spend experience points they don't have - if the level loss and the 1,000 XP cost drains a creature to 0 XP or less, it is destroyed, turned to dust, and can never be raised or revived again using any means. If the ritual is interrupted before it is completed, the petitioner is merely dead."

Read the underlined section.

ANY. MEANS.

Not Ressurrection. Not True Ressurrection. Not Wish. Not Reality Revision. Not even a deitie's SDA.

Nothing.

The guy is PERMADEAD, as in, you are now forbidden to EVER raise again from the living because i say so dead. And no one gets a say in it.

Even Deitie's SDA that are instakill stuff have a clause in them that says the creature can only be raised by another SDA that raises the dead from a higher DvR deity. Not this. This has nothing like that.

So, drain a Humanoid or Monstrous Humanoid to 2nd level, immobilize them, do the ritual to them, and they're now dead - FOREVER.

Isn't this or isn't this a fun find?
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #806 on: August 22, 2013, 10:22:10 AM »
^What counts as 'raise or revive', though?



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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #807 on: August 22, 2013, 04:45:22 PM »
Speaking of OA, the rules for other races on page 16 of OA state that both elves and gnomes can treat Wu Jen as a favored class instead of illusionist (3.0 gnome favored class instead of 3.5 bard) or wizard (still the elf favored class).  Dwarves can treat either fighter or samurai as their favored class.

Oh nice ... a few of the XPH races have
the double choice of favored class.
And it's weird (probably because it's psionics).


No, he's right. Page 203 of Oriental adventures lists hobgoblins as +0 LA.  I would argue, though, that the 3.5 Monster Manual supersedes that. 

Also, thanks awaken_D_M_golem, for directing me to that page.  I've been listing the source for bakemono's level adjustment as Dragon 318.  It's good to see it's in the source book too.

Yeah that's the page/table ... hmm un-updated OA only then?
Gets around having to do LA buy-off maths.
Or this SS discussion ---> http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=6306.5
Or that weird PGtF penalty no one uses.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #808 on: August 22, 2013, 04:51:19 PM »
i like the idea of chained potions
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #809 on: August 22, 2013, 09:43:49 PM »
Chain Spell:  Any spell that specifies a single target and has a range greater than touch can be chained so as to affect that primary target normally, then arc to a number of secondary targets equal to your caster level (maximum 20).

Animate with the Spirit
Level: Sanctified 4
Range: Medium (100 ft + 10 ft/level)
Target: One corpse with HD equal to or less than your caster level

Kill baddies in the first room or two of a dungeon, then reanimate their corpses with Bralani Eladrin...
:psyduck I will have to add this to my Chain Spell mini-guide. :evillaugh
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #810 on: August 23, 2013, 04:16:12 PM »
... OK, Fun Find:  The Ritual of Crucimigration, the one that turns you into a necropolitan, makes you lose a level, and then lose 1000xp.

Now here's the thing. The text says...

"If the loss of this much XP forces the necropolitan to lose another level, then it loses another level. No spell, not even restoration, can restore this lost XP. Petitioners may not spend experience points they don't have - if the level loss and the 1,000 XP cost drains a creature to 0 XP or less, it is destroyed, turned to dust, and can never be raised or revived again using any means. If the ritual is interrupted before it is completed, the petitioner is merely dead."

Read the underlined section.

ANY. MEANS.

Not Ressurrection. Not True Ressurrection. Not Wish. Not Reality Revision. Not even a deitie's SDA.

Nothing.

The guy is PERMADEAD, as in, you are now forbidden to EVER raise again from the living because i say so dead. And no one gets a say in it.

Even Deitie's SDA that are instakill stuff have a clause in them that says the creature can only be raised by another SDA that raises the dead from a higher DvR deity. Not this. This has nothing like that.

So, drain a Humanoid or Monstrous Humanoid to 2nd level, immobilize them, do the ritual to them, and they're now dead - FOREVER.

Isn't this or isn't this a fun find?

You.
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You.
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I guess we're not playing MLP anymore.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #811 on: August 26, 2013, 02:46:26 AM »
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You could bind the ghost to one of your items... Gaining more and more and more ghost "buddies" that travel w you
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #812 on: August 26, 2013, 09:43:10 AM »
target gets no save, item or area.

so a ghost touch (?) intelligent item as the target gets a buddy.

as a side not, as long as you go ghosts around, need to makesome ghost touch brooms and rags... so they can keep them selves occupied. 
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #813 on: August 26, 2013, 11:42:02 AM »
:D

throw the items in your demiplane that has a 1 day: 100 years ratio, then your ghost 'evolve' every day for Material Plane time
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #814 on: August 27, 2013, 04:43:59 PM »
OA Shintao Monk ... has waffly usage of character level
and level and monk level and Shintao Monk level.
If I'm reading it correctly -- which may be impossible --
there's 2 juicy antiCaster abilities that use for the save:
10 + monk's level + mod , instead of 10 + spell level + mod !!
Doubled save prog.  The 1 is ~silence, the other has
no time limit on shutting down a caster (ridiculous).

Does the Dr#318 update do this too / or change it ??
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #815 on: August 27, 2013, 06:23:40 PM »
As far as I know it's still 10+lvl+Cha, it's never been Errata'ed. Kukan-Do prevents you from using any Spells, SLAs, or Su abilities as well through. And the ability has no listed duration and technically lasts forever. Through reasonably the Monk can end it as per voluntarily ending a Spell.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #816 on: August 27, 2013, 08:33:23 PM »
Hmm... actually, spells have to be marked as dismissible in order to be dismissed as a standard action. So Kukan-Do never stops w/o, admittedly sensible, house rulings.
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #817 on: August 28, 2013, 01:45:14 AM »
In Song and Silence, there are several mundane masterwork music instruments.that produce supernatural effects

- the alphorn is uber powerful, extends the range of your bardic music to 1d10 miles  :o
- the Shawn grants +4 circumstance to Bluff, Diplomacy, Disguise, and Gather Info on listeners for 1d6hrs, but also increases the attitude of the listeners by 1 (Su mind-affecting)  :twitch
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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #818 on: August 28, 2013, 10:46:07 AM »
I've been looking through some books trying to find glasses that give you perfect memory which I only vaguely recall. Any help there would be appreciated by the way.

But anyway, while going through Ghostwalk, I found the Living Mask, an item that for only 400 GP lets any undead that can wear it appear to be a living person wearing fine clothing and a mask. Even register as living for detect undead and such. It's sadly only one use, but it does function until you actually have to take it off, which could very well be never.

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Re: Fun Finds v4.0
« Reply #819 on: August 28, 2013, 12:13:21 PM »
I've been looking through some books trying to find glasses that give you perfect memory which I only vaguely recall. Any help there would be appreciated by the way.

The only perfect memory item I know of is a kiira n'vaelhar (Player's Guide to Faerun, p123), but it doesn't take the form of glasses. 

I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but autohypnosis might help.