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Offline Amor

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Cohort Build Advice
« on: June 02, 2013, 08:46:30 PM »
So, I need hellp building a potential cohort for a character of mine, specifically around someone to retrieve his body (if he dies) and cast a reincarnate upon him.

So, it needs to:
1 - know where my character is, and potentially, what his condition is (specifically, dead).  Some way to do this around Mind Blank would also be good, since this character wiill be under such effect for most of the time at higher levels.
2 - Be able to get to, and retrieve, at least a piece of his body.
3 - Use reincarnate.
Bonus - Be able to more accuratelly control the chance of reincarnate for a particular species (that isn't the character's original species).

So far what I have in mind is a kobold sorceror, investing ranks into use magic device, and using sorc spells for teleportation and divination, and a scroll for reincarnate, but anyone who has a better idea would be lovely to hear.

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2013, 06:23:59 PM »
Hmm... not quite what you were asking for, but the first thing that strikes me is the Save Game Psion. He wouldn't be able to do ANY of the things you request, per se; however, if you were to have the cohort attempt to contact the PC every day, he could simply 'reset' if the character was unavailable.

Again, not what you were looking for, I know. Apologies. This just struck me as an alternate way of accomplishing much the same.

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 07:42:36 AM »
Seems like a cleric with access to BoED for Sacred Guardian (page 106) should do the job?

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 01:06:09 PM »
an itty bitty cohort with access to revivify could ride along with...

if you can get the cohort access to metafaculty, even if via psychic chirurgery, it can bypass mind blank, iirc.

the save game trick would also work.

you could also create a custom item which would do the trick. a pair of items that is keyed to one person, but the matching item always shows the same status as the keyed item. so even if the mindblank would prevent scrying and detection, the paired items could display the same status regardless.

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2013, 03:04:42 PM »
Ask your dm how much info contingency has

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2013, 03:11:50 PM »
Druid/Wizard/Mystic Theurge/Arcane Heriophant can get dual 9s (or just single 9s Druid, if that's all you care) and use True Reincarnate, along with the typical arcane toolbelt.

IIRC there is material in Planewalker.com that can influence Reincarnate

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2013, 09:51:02 AM »
Sadly, revivify and other resurrection magics aren't exactly what I'm looking for, as I'm specifically after the clause that the species comes to life as something else of its type.  Of course, permanent transformation would be easier using other magics, like polymorph, but this has a sort of thematic edge to it that I'm after.

Sacred Guardian, however, solves the scrying/status issue ENTIRELY, and greatly helps for the retrieval process too!

Hmm, there's no dual casting prestige class that grants divine progression on each side, is there?  Wait, what am I saying.  Of course there is.

It's called Archivist. :D

At 7th level, an Archivist could cast Reincarnate, and at 9th it could cast Sacred Guardian and Plane Shift.  It'd have to wait until 13th level for Greater Teleport, though, but could pick up regular teleport until then.  The only tricky part is the Celestial component to sacred guardian.  Celestial Mystic could fix that pretty well, and seems to be the only way around it without actually using a celestial (although I can't find any information on that at all with a quick glance through BoED, would Channeling a Celestial allow one to cast Celestial spells still?).

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2013, 12:01:03 PM »
Holy Transformation (Lesser) (SpC, page 116) both transform you into an outsider with the good subtype and the normal version even gives you the archon subtype, which lets you have Greater Teleport at will while the duration lasts. 50 pounds for gear only, but that's what bag of holdings etc are for!

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2013, 11:17:16 PM »
Lesser Holy Transformation wouldn't fix it, as it requires a Celestial, not Outsider, type - which lesser doesn't provide.  The normal one, however, would work - although being a seventh level spell it wouldn't be available until level 13, and the duration of rounds/level might be an issue.  Its also not as expedient as a greater teleport.  I suppose it would be possible to cast it and use that teleport to go to where his body is, and perhaps use that to get back, but having a back up (greater) teleport would be prudent as well.

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2013, 03:51:15 AM »
Quote from: Book of Exalted Deeds, page 89
Archon:The caster must have the archon subtype to cast this spell.
Celestial:The caster must be an outsider with the good subtype to cast this spell.
Eladrin:The caster must have the eladrin subtype to cast this spell.
Guardinal:The caster must have the guardinal subtype to cast this spell.
Lesser Holy Transformation is enough :)

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2013, 07:35:35 AM »
Ah, so it is.  I concede that point. :)

I just couldn't seem to find that section in the book.  Lesser is 4th level, if I remember correctly, so an Archivist 9 could pull this trick off entirely.  Use Lesser Holy Transformation (cleric 4) to be able to cast Sacred Guardian, which allows for constant knowledge of my character's condition.  He can then use teleport (travel domain 5), and reach him without error due to Sacred Guardian, retrieve a piece of body, and teleport away to a safe location.  He can then cast reincarnate (druid 4) at his leisure.

If I remember right, Sacred Guardian isn't an innately sacred of exalted spell either, so such an archivist only needs to be able to cast (Good) spells, so non-evil?

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2013, 10:14:22 AM »
Sacred Guardian is just a Divination spell, so there is no alignment restriction in place.

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2013, 12:11:44 PM »
But holy transformation is, I believe, a good-spell, and thus evil divine spellcasters can't cast it.

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Re: Cohort Build Advice
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2013, 02:01:02 PM »
But holy transformation is, I believe, a good-spell, and thus evil divine spellcasters can't cast it.

Evil CLERICS can't typically cast it.  Pretty sure this limitation is class specific.