Whirling and 5' step

[kitep]

The Whirling (MIC-46) weapon ability lets you make 1 attack vs each opponent within reach (functions like Whirlwind Attack)
When taking the full attack action, you can take a 5' step before, during, or after your attack.
Can I attack the adjacent opponents, take a 5' step, and continue to attack those that were originally just out of reach?

My duskblade wants to know 

[ksbsnowowl]

I don't know the answer, but I want to know too.

[Ithamar]

I'd say yes you can 5' step.  Because the ability states "otherwise functions like the Whirlwind Attack feat", you get this:

When you use the full attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make one melee attack at your full base attack bonus against each opponent within reach.

The only movement you can take during a full attack is a 5-foot step. You may take the step before, after, or between your attacks.

Looks to me it should work just fine.

[NunoM]

You can take a 5ft. step as part of a full-attack action and "Whirling" functions just like "Whirlwind attack" (for that weapon only), which, in turn, can be used while taking a full-attack action, so... you're reading it just fine!

I'm planning to use that with my own Duskblade, as well!

[kitep]

Thanks for the answers.

I'm planning to use that with my own Duskblade, as well!

In that case, you might want to look into Greatreach Bracers (MIC-108) which extend your reach by 10', 3/day

[Amechra]

Of course, there is always getting high tumble checks (10' steps? Please and thank you.)

[NunoM]

Thanks for the answers.

I'm planning to use that with my own Duskblade, as well!

In that case, you might want to look into Greatreach Bracers (MIC-108) which extend your reach by 10', 3/day

I always read those as "you can reach 10ft. farther, but don't threat within that reach"... am i wrong?

Of course, there is always getting high tumble checks (10' steps? Please and thank you.)

How do you do that?

EDIT: Sorry, kytep, for making use of your topic this way...

[Demelain]

Of course, there is always getting high tumble checks (10' steps? Please and thank you.)

How do you do that?

EDIT: Sorry, kytep, for making use of your topic this way...

DC 40 Tumble Check, first defined in OA, IIRC. Could be wrong, but check there.

[NunoM]

Correct you are, sir...

It's from a book I never got to read properly. Thanks!

[Amechra]

It was one of the tricks for the Hood (Endarire's baby.)

I believe it is a DC 40 check?

There's also that one item from Arms and Equipment Guide that gives Monks the ability to do 10' steps.

Then there is that White Raven stance that gives you two 5' steps when you'd get one.

Finally, Evasive Reflexes; take a 5' step when you would get an attack of opportunity. If you get an attack of opportunity while in your full attack sequence, you can move your little buzz-saw to include them as well.

Honestly, I think this is what a Full-Attack should have been in the first place...

[kitep]

Of course, there is always getting high tumble checks (10' steps? Please and thank you.)

How do you do that?

EDIT: Sorry, kytep, for making use of your topic this way...

I was going to ask the same question myself.

[Jackinthegreen]

The item from A&EG that grants a 10' step instead of a 5' step is the Sparring Dummy of the Master, page 137.  Requires at least 1 Monk level though.

[kitep]

In that case, you might want to look into Greatreach Bracers (MIC-108) which extend your reach by 10', 3/day

I always read those as "you can reach 10ft. farther, but don't threat within that reach"... am i wrong?

I'm not sure I understand the difference.  I'm not talking about using the bracers to get AOO at long range.  I'm talking about using them with the Whirling ability to attack more things on your turn.  Whirling says "within reach of the weapon", not that you have to threaten the square.  Though since the bracers extend your reach and lasts for 1 round, not till the end of your turn, I don't see why you wouldn't threaten the extra squares.  Not saying you're wrong, I just don't see it.  I do see why you wouldn't threaten the extra squares if you don't activate the bracers on your turn, since it's a swift action, not an immediate action.

[kitep]

The item from A&EG that grants a 10' step instead of a 5' step is the Sparring Dummy of the Master, page 137.  Requires at least 1 Monk level though.

I know UMD lets you emulate a class feature.  Can it also be used to emulate a class?

[Jackinthegreen]

The item from A&EG that grants a 10' step instead of a 5' step is the Sparring Dummy of the Master, page 137.  Requires at least 1 Monk level though.

I know UMD lets you emulate a class feature.  Can it also be used to emulate a class?

Based on the rules here it's looking like a no, but it might be possible from a supplement or something.

[Amechra]

Dear god...

I just realized that Wolf Pack Tactics means that, as long as the group is packed, you could technically kill everyone in an army with this combo.

After all, you get to move 5' after every successful attack you make, if you want...

Clever usage (and a large-ish reach) could move you a fair distance with that.

[Raineh Daze]

If we somehow stacked every bonus listed here so far, how far can the character move per attack? And how dizzy will they be afterwards?

[Amechra]

I know that you can get 5' steps up to the point where they will technically carry you 20'... but we'd have to get dual stances to get the extra 5' from Wolf Pack Tactics.

That's a good 25' feet... None of which provokes AoOs.

[Gazzien]

Wolf Pack Tactics caps at your current move speed though...

[Amechra]

Missed that part...