Author Topic: Optimization of Telepath/Thrallherd Build  (Read 16542 times)

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Re: Optimization of Telepath/Thrallherd Build
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2013, 12:39:09 PM »
So, if I chose to build an Unbodied character and drain the hit dice, would it use any of my class ranks? Also, since Unbodied manifest as 4th level Psions, does that give me all of the benefits of having 4 levels in Psion (skill points, etc)? How would I level as an Unbodied and how would I get the Psionic powers that come with being Unbodied, like Mind Thrust?
I don't think you could drain it down past 1 hit die, but it could be argued that if you did drain down to 1 HD that your first level in a class would replace that... (it could also be argued the other way).

As for "all the benefits", no. It just gives you the things related to manifesting (power points, manifester level, powers known, etc). Skill points, hit points, etc, all come from actual hit dice, not virtual levels of a class.

Mind Thrust is a power the particular example Unbodied chose for his virtual psion levels. It is not required at all. You could pick any powers known that a telepath of your equivalent level could choose.

For example: if you're allowed to effectively exchange all 4 unbodied racial hit dice, and then start out with five actual psion class levels (so your ECL would be 9, with no racial hit dice and a +4 LA), you'd only have the hit dice, feats, skill points, etc of a 5th level psion, but you'd have a manifester level, powers known, power points, etc of a 9th level psion. You'd also still get everything listed in the "Unbodied as Characters" section (Incorporealness, Assume Likeness, Hide Mind, racial skill bonuses, etc).
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Re: Optimization of Telepath/Thrallherd Build
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2013, 06:25:55 PM »
... and opens the problem of being level 3
with a monster with no racial progression.
You certainly could make one ; it'd take a while.
Considering the wtf going on with the Stone Giant ...  :???

You could take 1 level of the Ghost Racial template
to get Incorporeal right away, w/ balanced weaknesses.
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Refluff it to almost the same as Unbodied.
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