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[awaken_D_M_golem]

Wait so, less than 1 year later, the Warmage gets
edit ~nerfed from Miniatures Handbook to CArc.


I've found no references to the MH one back at old wotc c.o. 
That's lame.  What was Rong with "those" people.
 

[SorO_Lost]

You're post is a little confusing. >.>

Yes the SpC notes Warmage from the Mini's handbook. Complete Arcane was published in November 2004 with what appears to be no changes to it (per D&D tools) and the SpC was published in December 2005. I don't know why the SpC referenced the original printing over the in CAr but they did.

[wotmaniac]

I don't know why the SpC referenced the original printing over the in CAr but they did.

Still trying to pimp-out their minis game?  (I'd imagine that it was probably a relatively low seller ..... take every marketing opportunity you can)

[Kethrian]

Yes the SpC notes Warmage from the Mini's handbook. Complete Arcane was published in November 2004 with what appears to be no changes to it (per D&D tools)

There is a single change made, they removed Sleep from the list of 1st lv spells and gave the much less useful Accuracy spell, instead.  Also, neither book actually has the feat Sudden Enlarge printed in it and it's not in their errata, and I don't know of any official source that does have the feat, so it doesn't officially exist!  Which means the Warmage class has been nerfed further than you'd think (it's supposed to be a bonus feat for them)!

[Jackinthegreen]

Sudden Enlarge is on page 28 of the Miniatures Handbook.

[Kethrian]

How did I miss it in there?  I was sure I looked for it in that book ...  Well, okay, the feat really does exist, just not in Complete Arcane, where the reprinted Warmage says it should be.

[SorO_Lost]

Copypasta
When you need to inflate page numbers to sell more products.

[Nytemare3701]

Copypasta
When you need to inflate page numbers to sell more products.

Even more sad considering page count is a BAD thing for most D&D products. They aggressively edit and cull to hit different benchmarks -_-

[awaken_D_M_golem]

You're post is a little confusing. >.>

Yes the SpC notes Warmage from the Mini's handbook. Complete Arcane was published in November 2004 with what appears to be no changes to it (per D&D tools) and the SpC was published in December 2005. I don't know why the SpC referenced the original printing over the in CAr but they did.

My bad.

So that trade language is in SpC, and supercedes.
Awesome.  Call it:  Incentive to Play a Warmage.
 

[snakeman830]

DMG page 144 mentions that Bronze breastplates can be made, trading +1 armor bonus for +1 Max Dex bonus.  Could be handy for characters with class features or feats relating to medium armor, but have decently high Dex mods.

[Captnq]

DMG page 144 mentions that Bronze breastplates can be made, trading +1 armor bonus for +1 Max Dex bonus.  Could be handy for characters with class features or feats relating to medium armor, but have decently high Dex mods.

Good Eye!

You actually made me increase the version number on my materials file. Actually, you would be better off adding to the Tumbler's breastplate.

[snakeman830]

DMG page 144 mentions that Bronze breastplates can be made, trading +1 armor bonus for +1 Max Dex bonus.  Could be handy for characters with class features or feats relating to medium armor, but have decently high Dex mods.

Good Eye!

You actually made me increase the version number on my materials file. Actually, you would be better off adding to the Tumbler's breastplate.

Even better is the fact there does not seem to be any additional price associated with this change.

[Dusk Soul]

Is there anything that works with medium armor but not with light?

[snakeman830]

Is there anything that works with medium armor but not with light?

Certain feats and magic items do.  Don't know about any class features.

[phaedrusxy]

DMG page 144 mentions that Bronze breastplates can be made, trading +1 armor bonus for +1 Max Dex bonus.  Could be handy for characters with class features or feats relating to medium armor, but have decently high Dex mods.

Is this an option with full plate? Due to the Dex requirements on some feats, I've had characters that I'd really like to use this on.

[snakeman830]

It only says breastplates can be made that way.  It's not terribly unreasonable to extend it to full plate or half plate, but RAW, it's just the breastplate.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Now somebody needs to Awaken the Statue Of Liberty ...  ... hey baby, good thing your Dex is a little higher.

[Snowbluff]

My bad.

So that trade language is in SpC, and supercedes.
Awesome.  Call it:  Incentive to Play a Warmage.
 

The preceding text claims that the rules applicable to similiar classes. This means the rules applies on the same basis (requires DM cooperation, despite it not being advised) to two things:
1) Warmages, even if you claim it's not the same class listed.
2) Dread Necros and Beguilers.

Also, familiars are really good, so it balances it out. Take Obtain Familiar to become uberz. 

[zook1shoe]

3.0 Masters of the Wild's Tamer of Beasts is still available... since it's not the same as Beastmaster

it does rely on the Animal Companion spell a lot

[Dusk Soul]

3.0 Masters of the Wild's Tamer of Beasts is still available... since it's not the same as Beastmaster

it does rely on the Animal Companion spell a lot

I think Beastmaster is supposed to be the update, a lot like exotic weapon master is the update to many 3.0 classes, specially considering the whole Animal Companion mechanic got revamped. I guess you could use Charm Animal instead of Animal companion.