Fun Finds v5.0

[ksbsnowowl]

Mark of Minauros is the key to circular charging.

I'm planning to give that to a specialized Hellwyrm in the early epic levels of my gestalt game.  Charge for 500 feet, get +100 to attack!
I'll probably have to give him Pierce Magical Concealment to have any hope of actually making use of it, though.

[zook1shoe]

Pre-epic could be a Paragon Shadow Dark Cheetah (2,100ft charging = +4,200 to attack)

[awaken_D_M_golem]

... A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not always a square and all that.

no No NO NO !!
my kitty avatar now unfriends you, more than you could ever unfriend my kitty avatar.
(pout)
 

[linklord231]

Pre-epic could be a Paragon Shadow Dark Cheetah (2,100ft charging = +4,200 to attack)

If only you could power attack for more than your BAB. 

... A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not always a square and all that.

no No NO NO !!
my kitty avatar now unfriends you, more than you could ever unfriend my kitty avatar.
(pout)
 

Does your kitty avatar not like parallelograms or something?

[awaken_D_M_golem]

  ... nor Pentagons disguised as Rectangles or Squares.

I hate having to pull my reading glasses out, only
to determine whether I should roleplay being mad or not.

[Frogman55]

... nor Pentagons disguised as Rectangles or Squares.

I hate having to pull my reading glasses out, only
to determine whether I should roleplay being mad or not.

Thats what finally turned me entirely off 4e. I played with the whole diagonal moves equal straight moves thing, until I realized what that meant. Effectively, in 4e, circles equal squares. Which means that pi = (complicated equation equating r squared with a formula to determine the [variable] distance from the center of a square to it's perimeter). Think about what that does to geometry, let alone physics.

Of course, in 3.5 its not all that much better, as a diagonal movement is still only 2/3 the distance of a straight line (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the point).

[Eldritch_Lord]

Effectively, in 4e, circles equal squares. Which means that pi = (complicated equation equating r squared with a formula to determine the [variable] distance from the center of a square to it's perimeter). Think about what that does to geometry, let alone physics.

It's not complicated at all: A 5-foot-radius "circle" in 4e is a 2x2 grid of 5 foot by 5 foot squares, with a circumference of 40 and an area of 100, so from 2*pi*5 = 40 and pi*5*5 = 100 we know that pi = 4.

[Maat Mons]

Square circles are perfectly fine by the mathematical definition of distance.  Can't a game go non euclidean without everyone complaining? 

[Frogman55]

Effectively, in 4e, circles equal squares. Which means that pi = (complicated equation equating r squared with a formula to determine the [variable] distance from the center of a square to it's perimeter). Think about what that does to geometry, let alone physics.

It's not complicated at all: A 5-foot-radius "circle" in 4e is a 2x2 grid of 5 foot by 5 foot squares, with a circumference of 40 and an area of 100, so from 2*pi*5 = 40 and pi*5*5 = 100 we know that pi = 4.

Thats part of the problem. You see, your answer is correct (giving pi for the shortest radii of the square, but while one radius is 5, the diagonal radius is 7.07 (the square root of 50)(See Pythagorean theorem). Or, if we plug it back into the area calculation, tells us that 100=pi*50, or pi=2.

Thus, pi is a range of 2 through 4, with an interesting wave function based on where the degree of the radius is in relation to a designated 0 angle on the square (for simplicity I put a 'short radius' (or five in our case) at the 0 point).

And because its a wave function, the best way to express pi was with a trigometric function, which is where it gets complicated. This is the portion that I've forgotten at some point in the past. It's been a while since I've used more complicated math than arithmetic or plug-and--play algebra.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

... nor Pentagons disguised as Rectangles or Squares.

I hate having to pull my reading glasses out, only
to determine whether I should roleplay being mad or not.

Thats what finally turned me entirely off 4e. I played with the whole diagonal moves equal straight moves thing, until I realized what that meant. Effectively, in 4e, circles equal squares. Which means that pi = (complicated equation equating r squared with a formula to determine the [variable] distance from the center of a square to it's perimeter). Think about what that does to geometry, let alone physics.

Of course, in 3.5 its not all that much better, as a diagonal movement is still only 2/3 the distance of a straight line (I'm paraphrasing, but you get the point).

(covers multiple ears)
Hear No 4e Evil.
Hear No 4e Evil !!

[Leviathan]

Square circles are perfectly fine by the mathematical definition of distance.  Can't a game go non euclidean without everyone complaining?

What 4e has is actually the discrete Chebyshev distance.

[Maat Mons]

… but while one radius is 5, the diagonal radius is 7.07 (the square root of 50)(See Pythagorean theorem).

No, no, no.  The Pythagorean theorem only holds in euclidean geometry.  In the kind of geometry we're dealing with, all three sides of that right triangle have length 5. 

[Frogman55]

… but while one radius is 5, the diagonal radius is 7.07 (the square root of 50)(See Pythagorean theorem).

No, no, no.  The Pythagorean theorem only holds in euclidean geometry.  In the kind of geometry we're dealing with, all three sides of that right triangle have length 5.

Well, that presumes that math still remains constant in a world with non-euclidean geometry (In other words, your assumption is that all circles are squares; my assumption is that all squares are circles)(I know it doesn't really work, but play along for a sec). Isn't it equally plausible that in a world with magic that math isn't constant? That pi has a different value during different circumstances? And couldn't a lack of universal constants (if pi isn't constant, what else isnt? Conservation of Energy? Speed of light in a vacuum?) be why denizens of that universe have access to magic in all its forms?

Featherfall doesn't magically lessen your weight, it just gives an awareness that allows an object to remain in a position where gravitational acceleration and friction won't let it reach speeds that would do damage.

[Amechra]

… but while one radius is 5, the diagonal radius is 7.07 (the square root of 50)(See Pythagorean theorem).

No, no, no.  The Pythagorean theorem only holds in euclidean geometry.  In the kind of geometry we're dealing with, all three sides of that right triangle have length 5.

Well, that presumes that math still remains constant in a world with non-euclidean geometry (In other words, your assumption is that all circles are squares; my assumption is that all squares are circles)(I know it doesn't really work, but play along for a sec). Isn't it equally plausible that in a world with magic that math isn't constant? That pi has a different value during different circumstances? And couldn't a lack of universal constants (if pi isn't constant, what else isnt? Conservation of Energy? Speed of light in a vacuum?) be why denizens of that universe have access to magic in all its forms?

Featherfall doesn't magically lessen your weight, it just gives an awareness that allows an object to remain in a position where gravitational acceleration and friction won't let it reach speeds that would do damage.

Sounds like a neat setting concept to me!

Alternatively, welcome to the Far Realms. Please stay in your Prime Material aspect field, because outside right is left and up is purple.

But one side note: We actually live in a non-euclidean geometry. Oh. Yes. Spooky. Thank you curves for ruining geometry forever.

[Frogman55]

… but while one radius is 5, the diagonal radius is 7.07 (the square root of 50)(See Pythagorean theorem).

No, no, no.  The Pythagorean theorem only holds in euclidean geometry.  In the kind of geometry we're dealing with, all three sides of that right triangle have length 5.

Well, that presumes that math still remains constant in a world with non-euclidean geometry (In other words, your assumption is that all circles are squares; my assumption is that all squares are circles)(I know it doesn't really work, but play along for a sec). Isn't it equally plausible that in a world with magic that math isn't constant? That pi has a different value during different circumstances? And couldn't a lack of universal constants (if pi isn't constant, what else isnt? Conservation of Energy? Speed of light in a vacuum?) be why denizens of that universe have access to magic in all its forms?

Featherfall doesn't magically lessen your weight, it just gives an awareness that allows an object to remain in a position where gravitational acceleration and friction won't let it reach speeds that would do damage.

Sounds like a neat setting concept to me!

Alternatively, welcome to the Far Realms. Please stay in your Prime Material aspect field, because outside right is left and up is purple.

But one side note: We actually live in a non-euclidean geometry. Oh. Yes. Spooky. Thank you curves for ruining geometry forever.

And I continue to look forward to the day when our theoretical physicists begin figuring out how to replicate things like teleportation and fabrication.. The day comes!

But perhaps its time to re-rail this thread?

[Gazzien]

Re-railing! I'm hoping this is a mistake on the SRD though...

"Note: A defender wearing spiked gauntlets can’t be disarmed. A defender using a weapon attached to a locked gauntlet gets a +10 bonus to resist being disarmed."

Spiked Gauntlets: Protecting your held items better than a locked gauntlet, and still letting you use your hands.

[Jackinthegreen]

Pretty sure they're referring to disarming the spiked gauntlet itself, not other weapons.  But yeah, it's not properly worded to convey that information without context.

[Gazzien]

Pretty sure they're referring to disarming the spiked gauntlet itself, not other weapons.  But yeah, it's not properly worded to convey that information without context.

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That makes a lot more sense.

[Frogman55]

Pretty sure they're referring to disarming the spiked gauntlet itself, not other weapons.  But yeah, it's not properly worded to convey that information without context.

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That makes a lot more sense.

I do like the disarming immunity interpretation though. It won't be the first time that we've stretched a text here.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Just watch out for those Non-Euclidian Spiked Gauntlets ... ... those are real killers.

Square circles are perfectly fine by the mathematical definition of distance.  Can't a game go non euclidean without everyone complaining?

What 4e has is actually the discrete Chebyshev distance.

(follows link to Chevbyork distance)

Oh lord, please let me forget this.