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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #180 on: October 23, 2013, 04:14:02 PM »
Silver Pyromancer adds Paladin spells to the spell list of any Arcane class. Your Wizard can now legally add all Paladin spells to their spellbook.
I thought it was Divine Based not Arcane, good to know. :D

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #181 on: October 23, 2013, 06:53:15 PM »
 :huh , I wonder what 2 spells a Recaster could pick
that would be the least accessible to other casters?

Something like 1 Psi 9 discipline list only power
brought over via a Chameleon Crafted scroll,
and 1 weird Cleric Domain 9.

Or a Sorc Only 9 with a Druid Only 9.

Ideas?
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #182 on: October 23, 2013, 08:18:45 PM »
Well, you can get Trapsmith spells, which are the same as normal ones but MUCH lower level.  Things level level 3 Fabricate.  Not sure that's the best use, but you can do it.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #183 on: October 23, 2013, 09:30:51 PM »
Wu Jen or Shujenja spells?

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #184 on: October 23, 2013, 11:43:44 PM »
I'm terribly sorry, but I am often guilty of beating dead horses... because I'm not sure I understand if its dead or how we are beating it.

Quote from: Rules Compendium
Damage reduces a target’s current hit points, unless it’s specified as some other sort of damage. Certain attacks, creatures, and magical effects can cause other sorts of damage, such as ability damage, energy drain, or nonlethal damage.
I feel it necessary to distill what this is grammatically saying.

the reference to "unless the rules in question directly state otherwise" is talking about the very next thing it says, namely ability damage (the rules for that state it applies to abilities, not HP) and Energy Drain (the rules for that state it applies to levels, not HP)
I understand what you are saying and this is very common sense to me. So far, I agree (though I do like the RC! sorry JK!)

Also the FAQ entry is marked red, it came out post RC.
Can I get the dates?

KoK damage is no laughing matter.
I don't know. Depends on how you damage it. ;)

Now this is a topic worth discussing.
No its not because it isn't legal for 3.0/3.5

On the other side of the coin, if feats like Weapon Spec. and other things affect ability damage it may mean that ability damage is affected by DR.
I get where you're going but am having difficulty finding the rules quote I want.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #185 on: October 24, 2013, 12:50:06 AM »


Now this is a topic worth discussing.
No its not because it isn't legal for 3.0/3.5

Actually The Ravenloft campaign setting is and "official Wizards of the Coast licensed product". Their Logo is right there on the 2nd page of the book I referenced. It might not be first party material but it is second party material.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #186 on: October 24, 2013, 08:10:43 AM »
I'm terribly sorry, but I am often guilty of beating dead horses... because I'm not sure I understand if its dead or how we are beating it.
You are quite guilty. I will answer the date question through. RC is 08/2007 and the FAQ entry is marked red (thus new) in the final 06/2008 release.

It is also worth noting that the quoted section in the previous discussion stems from the Attacks & Damage entry, a topic that in overall discusses how to attack, the differences between melee and ranged, the entry on touch attacks, what a Full-Attack is, and the natural 1 & 20s rules on Attack Rules. It so happens to also contain three paragraphs on damage as the result of an attack. The quote is found in the description of this area which then goes on to to give a vague idea on damage modifiers (basically, stuff mods it), minimum damage (1 point min), and damage multiplication (extra dice ignored, see page 42), and specifying if the damage dealt is lethal or not (see page 72).

It is not the entry on Ability Damage, Energy Drain, or even Lethal/Nonlethal damage. In all truth, it's addressing the Attack side of combat. After all, "other sorts of harm" and it's following unquoted sentence "When you hit with such an attack, apply the effects of the attack as that attack’s description dictates." can be used to accurately describe how to handle effects like Antimagic Ray or Dimensional Anchor. Both of which require you to Attack even through you deal no damage. Which certainly the over empathized forum quote would decree as "damage". [sarcasm]Because Weapon Specialization should give +2 to turning people into Stone![/sarcasm]. As descriptive text, would have correctly fulfilled it's job if it attempt to explain it's intent as such was done a little more clearly but this is D&D, and not MtG, we're discussing. It's almost to be expected.
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #187 on: October 24, 2013, 11:38:12 AM »
Actually The Ravenloft campaign setting is and "official Wizards of the Coast licensed product". Their Logo is right there on the 2nd page of the book I referenced. It might not be first party material but it is second party material.

that makes them officially licensed, since the book was published by a 3rd party. that puts them in the same boat as Dragon mags and KoK... i mean Kalamar

so it's really up to him to choose to include all of the licensed material, which is about 2-3x the WotC material
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #188 on: October 24, 2013, 12:30:59 PM »
Actually The Ravenloft campaign setting is and "official Wizards of the Coast licensed product". Their Logo is right there on the 2nd page of the book I referenced. It might not be first party material but it is second party material.

that makes them officially licensed, since the book was published by a 3rd party. that puts them in the same boat as Dragon mags and KoK... i mean Kalamar

so it's really up to him to choose to include all of the licensed material, which is about 2-3x the WotC material

It's more about avoiding mission creep and usability. I KNOW what I'm making is "official". In so much as you might exclude specific books, but you can't say you are excluding the material because it wasn't "approved". Also, I don't have EVERYTHING. But I do have all the "official" books both in hard copy and on PDF. So I feel comfortable working with those. I welcome and encourage others to take my work, steal it, and go further.
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #189 on: October 24, 2013, 12:50:04 PM »
The Dragonlance Campaign Setting book is 1st party, but like KoK & Dragon Mag (and apparently Ravenloft) it's subsequent Expansions are 2nd Party as well. Which technically creates this oddity that non-Humans can take the Dragonspawn Template freely in 1st party, whereas in 2nd party they must also take the Dragonspawn Abomination Template as well.

I welcome and encourage others to take my work, steal it, and go further.
Philosophical question here, if you offer something up for free can it truly be stolen? ;)
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #190 on: October 24, 2013, 02:34:44 PM »
It's more about avoiding mission creep and usability. I KNOW what I'm making is "official". In so much as you might exclude specific books, but you can't say you are excluding the material because it wasn't "approved". Also, I don't have EVERYTHING. But I do have all the "official" books both in hard copy and on PDF. So I feel comfortable working with those. I welcome and encourage others to take my work, steal it, and go further.

I totally understand why you chose to do just 1st party stuff, I'm fine with that :)
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #191 on: October 25, 2013, 04:46:35 PM »
Has anyone tried to define tightly and/or complied a list of:
pseudo-1st party  "official" stuff that isn't Official-y enough.

The old psi board list (still exists) of sources by 7th Geas included
further afield stuff.  Idk the criteria for that list, never bothered.
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #192 on: October 28, 2013, 01:00:41 AM »
Has anyone tried to define tightly and/or complied a list of:
pseudo-1st party  "official" stuff that isn't Official-y enough.
I have
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Now this is a topic worth discussing.
No its not because it isn't legal for 3.0/3.5

Actually The Ravenloft campaign setting is and "official Wizards of the Coast licensed product". Their Logo is right there on the 2nd page of the book I referenced. It might not be first party material but it is second party material.
This doesn't contradict what I said. ;)

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #193 on: October 28, 2013, 03:18:59 AM »
Has anyone tried to define tightly and/or complied a list of:
pseudo-1st party  "official" stuff that isn't Official-y enough.
I have
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Now this is a topic worth discussing.
No its not because it isn't legal for 3.0/3.5

Actually The Ravenloft campaign setting is and "official Wizards of the Coast licensed product". Their Logo is right there on the 2nd page of the book I referenced. It might not be first party material but it is second party material.
This doesn't contradict what I said. ;)

what do you mean by "lapsed license"? Did Wizards of the Coast go back and officially say that the Ravenloft Campaign setting was no longer legal despite their logo existing on the books saying that they have licensed it? Just wondering. I would like to know what makes it so different from either the Dragonlance setting or Dragon Magazine. I was always under the assumption that the Wizards logo was the go to indication that the material was OK to use,other than what my DM says is good.

Im wondering what causes Ravenloft to be excluded from being acceptable other table to table interpretations of what is legal. If I cannot trust the Wizards logo than what is the point of its existence in the first place.
 

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #194 on: October 28, 2013, 07:11:52 PM »
PLZ = thanks = awesome.


... If I cannot trust the Wizards logo than what is the point of its existence in the first place.
What makes you think, Wizards wasn't leading you around by your nose the whole time?
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Many of the book writers put out web expansions of material
they had worked on for whatever specific book, but didn't
make the final editing cut.  Like Ed Bonny here:
http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/leof_main.htm

I guess this is a category like Hyperconscious.
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #195 on: October 28, 2013, 07:30:12 PM »
@deadkitten, many of the companies have had the licensing revoked.

anything they created before getting or after losing the license, are officially UN-licensed.

anything created while they HAD the license is officially licensed.

the biggest was Paizo's Dragon/Dungeon magazines.

myself, along with some others, consider these licensed material from other companies as '2nd party material'.
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« Reply #196 on: October 29, 2013, 07:36:12 AM »
myself, along with some others, consider these licensed material from other companies as '2nd party material'.
Indeed, I'm one of them. The concept is quite well spread too.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #197 on: October 29, 2013, 11:23:16 AM »
What? We agree on something? :P
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #198 on: October 29, 2013, 11:34:44 AM »
The Sang Kauw acts as a double weapon and comes with a "buckler" shield. However, by RAW, it does not come with an armor check penalty or arcane spell failure. A shield for a wizard that doesn't need to be mithral. Nice change of pace.
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« Reply #199 on: October 29, 2013, 12:13:47 PM »
hmm... weird

edit:

Raptor Arrow in MIC has no HD requirement for the True Believer feat!!!
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