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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #620 on: February 12, 2014, 03:54:27 PM »
The Dreaming Blindfold (MIC):
"If you are also wearing a psicrown (EPH169), you can target the recipient of the dream or nightmare with a single psionic power generated by the psicrown as if you were adjacent to that creature. However, the power costs twice the normal number of power points and renders the dreaming blindfold inert for seven days."

It seems like a nice way to assassinate someone from afar. You probably can't use powers that require you to touch the creature, which makes me sad because I'd have liked to be able to teleport the target as well (sleeping implies willing).
But note that technically it works even if the target is protected against mind-affecting effects, and doesn't sleep: you just need to target it with Dream (which might fail immediately).
You can do the same thing via the Remote Viewing power. They do need to fail the initial save for Remote Viewing, but since you have a virtual presence there (and can even be attacked), I'd think you could use touch spells (or just about anything).

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #621 on: February 12, 2014, 03:56:52 PM »
Knock-Back ... post 3.5e Core.


Heck they'd be consistent on this anyways.
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #622 on: February 12, 2014, 04:19:06 PM »
SRD is 2004
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35

Divine Abilities and Feats

FEATS
Deities can obtain the feats described here, in addition to any standard feats.

My interpretation:
Deities can take the 'unerrata'/OP version
Players are left with the errata'd sword and fist version

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #623 on: February 12, 2014, 04:49:03 PM »
SRD is 2004
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35

Divine Abilities and Feats

FEATS
Deities can obtain the feats described here, in addition to any standard feats.

My interpretation:
Deities can take the 'unerrata'/OP version
Players are left with the errata'd sword and fist version
Clearly those aren't Deity only feats because Persist Spell, along with lots of other bullshit, is there.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #624 on: February 12, 2014, 05:09:58 PM »
What's odd is that Knock-Down wasn't updated, but the SRD version of Divine Might is the crappy up to date version that is in Complete Warrior.  If you look at the original version in the actual book, it is far better.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #625 on: February 12, 2014, 07:22:23 PM »
Is there an updated version of Knock-down? I'm asking because I don't see it talked about often but I think its good as fuck.
Often? I see it every time a Trip build is mentioned.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #626 on: February 12, 2014, 07:31:05 PM »
No, it's ECL +2, which, since it includes 2 RHD, is equivalent to LA +0. That's how it was written in 3.0. Races didn't differentiate between RHD and LA, they just gave it to you as one lump sum. I remember seeing some races somewhere that even had ECL modifiers less than their total RHD, which would mean a negative LA in 3.5 terms.

Personally I always thought the differences between LA and RHD never did make sense.  Like one that takes half dragon with LA +3 but no RHD.  Yeah they have all these nifty abilities, but oh no, you sneeze in their direction and they're dead.  Starting ECL of 4th, but as a lvl 1 character, means you've pathetic HD.  I've always ruled it as being whatever the LA is, that's how many RHD they get, otherwise, the entire LA/RHD system is broken in a bad way, not a good way.

I like this idea. How does it work normally? (My group has a running ban on anything with RHD since nobody understood them)

Normally, both RHD and LA count towards your character level when determining your ECL (and thus how much xp you earn and how much it takes to level up). However, RHD are like actual character levels in a class with no class features (you get HP, skills, BAB, and saves according to your creature type, and they count towards feats, skill rank maximums, not dying to Cloudkill, etc.). If you only have 1 RHD at character creation, you can even trade it in for a full-fledged class level. However, if you have more than that (2+ RHD), you're stuck with them, and they come first before any class levels so your low level feats can't use your class features for prerequisites (since you won't have them yet), and it's your RHD's skill points that are multiplied by 4 at 1st level, not your first class's skill points. Some things with enough RHD can get you high enough level to meet the prerequisites for some PrCs, letting you skip taking base classes entirely.

LA is just a blank, where you get nothing (no HP, skills, BAB, saves, feats, max ranks, etc.). On the other hand, you can buy off your LA if you use the rules in Unearthed Arcana, which involves spending extra experience points at certain levels (the exact nature of which I kinda understand, sort of, but not well enough to explain).

Neither LA nor RHD count against you for multiclass penalties if you use them. You could have, say, 10 RHD, +5 LA, and 1 level each of Fighter, Rogue, and Wizard (not that you should ever do this), and you'll still get your full experience, albeit only the experience that a level 18 character would earn.

Ok, so we WERE doing it right, it just sucked that hard.
Sorry to pimp but this isn't the first time others have come to the same conclusion as me. It sounds like someone was edging towards the PBMC balanced ECL variant. I wouldn't be surprised if we learned that half the designers thought those RHD were free anyway...

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #627 on: February 12, 2014, 10:32:06 PM »
Going back to the Uncanny Trickster/Legacy Champion talk...  Apply one to Abjurant Champion, and the other to the one applied to AC.  Proceed to laugh at how huge the bonuses from Abjurant Armor get on the right spells.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #628 on: February 12, 2014, 10:35:53 PM »
Going back to the Uncanny Trickster/Legacy Champion talk...  Apply one to Abjurant Champion, and the other to the one applied to AC.  Proceed to laugh at how huge the bonuses from Abjurant Armor get on the right spells.

Congratulations! 1/20 of the time you get hit by a sword, no effect on touch AC. :p

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #629 on: February 12, 2014, 10:37:39 PM »
Going back to the Uncanny Trickster/Legacy Champion talk...  Apply one to Abjurant Champion, and the other to the one applied to AC.  Proceed to laugh at how huge the bonuses from Abjurant Armor get on the right spells.

Congratulations! 1/20 of the time you get hit by a sword, no effect on touch AC. :p

Yup, pretty much!

Now if only there was a PrC that boosted the AC gains from spells that grant Deflection bonuses.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #630 on: February 12, 2014, 10:40:49 PM »
Going back to the Uncanny Trickster/Legacy Champion talk...  Apply one to Abjurant Champion, and the other to the one applied to AC.  Proceed to laugh at how huge the bonuses from Abjurant Armor get on the right spells.

Congratulations! 1/20 of the time you get hit by a sword, no effect on touch AC. :p

Yup, pretty much!

Now if only there was a PrC that boosted the AC gains from spells that grant Deflection bonuses.

Now, that would be handy, especially if it synergises with saves out the wazoo somehow (Divine Grace comes to  mind).

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #631 on: February 12, 2014, 11:15:57 PM »
There are actually quite a few spells that grant deflection bonuses (tonight I stopped at 21, which was in the H part of the list).  Looks like a PrC based on that would have to have something a bit more specific than just "any spell that grants a deflection bonus."

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #632 on: February 13, 2014, 07:53:24 AM »
Fun Find: Yurians from Fiend Folio have 3 racial HD and a +4 LA, and are overall kinda crappy.

No, what's important about them is the "Yurian characters" section of their write-up:

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A yurian’s favored class is barbar-
ian. Yurian spellcasters are usually
adepts or druids. Their few clerics
revere ancestral spirits, and can
choose from the domains of Heal-
ing, Luck, Protection, and Water.
A yurian PC’s effective charac-
ter level (ECL) is equal to its class
level +4. Thus, a 1st-level yurian barbarian has
an ECL of 5 and is the equivalent of a 5th-
level character.

Looks like Plz was right, in at least one case...
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #633 on: February 13, 2014, 10:20:36 AM »
Fun Find: Yurians from Fiend Folio have 3 racial HD and a +4 LA, and are overall kinda crappy.

No, what's important about them is the "Yurian characters" section of their write-up:

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A yurian’s favored class is barbar-
ian. Yurian spellcasters are usually
adepts or druids. Their few clerics
revere ancestral spirits, and can
choose from the domains of Heal-
ing, Luck, Protection, and Water.
A yurian PC’s effective charac-
ter level (ECL) is equal to its class
level +4. Thus, a 1st-level yurian barbarian has
an ECL of 5 and is the equivalent of a 5th-
level character.

Looks like Plz was right, in at least one case...

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #634 on: February 13, 2014, 11:33:51 AM »
If you look at Crucians in Sandstorm, the "Crucians as Characters" entry completely lacks any mention of you having to take their 3 Humanoid HD.  So presumably you should only have to pay the +2 LA.  Still a bit overpriced, but not nearly as bad as ECL 5.

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #635 on: February 13, 2014, 02:05:33 PM »
Fun Find: Yurians from Fiend Folio have 3 racial HD and a +4 LA, and are overall kinda crappy.

No, what's important about them is the "Yurian characters" section of their write-up:

Quote
A yurian’s favored class is barbar-
ian. Yurian spellcasters are usually
adepts or druids. Their few clerics
revere ancestral spirits, and can
choose from the domains of Heal-
ing, Luck, Protection, and Water.
A yurian PC’s effective charac-
ter level (ECL) is equal to its class
level +4. Thus, a 1st-level yurian barbarian has
an ECL of 5 and is the equivalent of a 5th-
level character.

Looks like Plz was right, in at least one case...

Remember that Fiend Folio is 3.0. Back then LA was handled very differently than it is in 3.5. (I wasn't playing seriously back then, so I don't remember the exact details, but IIRC it was something along the lines of having a LA number which included the RHD, as in this example.)

So it's safe to say it's an edition thing. Perhaps a misremembering along these lines is why Plz thought it worked this way? (In other words, he was right, just remembering the wrong edition.)

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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #636 on: February 13, 2014, 02:19:44 PM »
3.0 doesn't have LA, though; Fiend Folio was one of the weird "half-way" books.
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #637 on: February 13, 2014, 02:41:30 PM »
Fiend Folio has LA in it, so does Savage Species, both are 3.25 books

whereas, Manual of the Planes and Miniatures Handbook have LAs, and those are hardcore 3.0 books
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #638 on: February 13, 2014, 04:15:35 PM »
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Re: Fun Finds v5.0
« Reply #639 on: February 13, 2014, 05:55:25 PM »
Fiend Folio has LA in it, so does Savage Species, both are 3.25 books

whereas, Manual of the Planes and Miniatures Handbook have LAs, and those are hardcore 3.0 books

I can tell you for sure that the Miniatures Handbook is 3.5e.  It states right on the back cover that it is for use with the 3.5e core books.
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