Fun Finds v5.0

[linklord231]

I took the "instead, you are staggered" bit to be referring to being rendered disabled, dying, or dead.  As in, if something would render you disabled, dying, or dead, it instead renders you staggered.  Not that you're Staggered 24/7, forever. 

[jojolagger]

That's also how I read it, and it makes it stronger.
I can remember any tricks for ignoring staggered, but I bet there's some immunity somewhere.


Most worrying part is that you can't be healed if you're dead, and if Healing bucket is out, we need to spam contingent resurrections for when the spell ends or somehow find a way to heal without being able to benefit from healing.

[sirpercival]

You're staggered forever because you took 12 trillion damage, and can't be bothered to heal yourself that much.

[SorO_Lost]

You're staggered forever because you took 12 trillion damage, and can't be bothered to heal yourself that much.

Pretty much. Once the Spell is saving you form being dead at -11HP you lose the ability to be healed which locks you into a dead/staggered state.

Unless you put your head in a bucket of water. 

[Nunkuruji]

Sounds like a nice pairing with Stranger with Burning Eyes or other magic jar specialist who doesn't care about their husk

[snakeman830]

You're staggered forever because you took 12 trillion damage, and can't be bothered to heal yourself that much.

Pretty much. Once the Spell is saving you form being dead at -11HP you lose the ability to be healed which locks you into a dead/staggered state.

Unless you put your head in a bucket of water. 

Or a friendly psion.

[zook1shoe]

what if you're immune to being staggered?

[phaedrusxy]

That's also how I read it, and it makes it stronger.
I can remember any tricks for ignoring staggered, but I bet there's some immunity somewhere.


Most worrying part is that you can't be healed if you're dead, and if Healing bucket is out, we need to spam contingent resurrections for when the spell ends or somehow find a way to heal without being able to benefit from healing.

From the quote it looks like it's Instantaneous... The only thing that can end it is someone destroying your removed digit (so put that in an iron golems mouth, which you Imprison underneath the world's worst dungeon, at the bottom of the sea (or inside a star, etc).

[Unbeliever]

Is it just me or is that spell like crazily badly written?  As Phaedrusxy noted, it's instantaneous.  So, how can the spell "end."  Can it even be dispelled?  It still functions in an AMF, too, doesn't it? 

It also would help if they explained the way healing worked a little better.  I think posters above me are correct:  you can be healed normally until you are "dead."  And, then after that, no healing.  But, it could be spelled out better.  That being said, Delay Death would give you plenty of time to climb your hit point total back up in practice. 

As a side note, 2E had a spell nigh identical to this, I think in the Arabian setting.  It was obviously a Sinbad riff, and you just hid your heart away and couldn't be killed with hit point damage while it was intact.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

dude:  I laugh at the Hulking Hurler

DM:  Uhh, that's you're only action this round.

dude:  Rats!
HH tries again

DM:  Look you already took your action this round by saying Rats!  Now it's round 3.

dude:  Rats 
DM:  Ok now you're being annoying.  Round 4

dude:  point of order before I go, is the HH smart enough to figure out he can't hurt me?
DM:  Ok now you're being really annoying.

[phaedrusxy]

So we finally found out how the Green Knight picked his head up and walked away?

[SorO_Lost]

Is it just me or is that spell like crazily badly written?

Oh I think we all agree with you on that.

You know, old age makes you die. So you're immune to that too >.>

[PixelHead777]

You're staggered forever because you took 12 trillion damage, and can't be bothered to heal yourself that much.

Pretty much. Once the Spell is saving you form being dead at -11HP you lose the ability to be healed which locks you into a dead/staggered state.

Unless you put your head in a bucket of water. 

Or a friendly psion.

Is there any particular REASON we're sticking our head inside the friendly psion?

[BearsAreBrown]

Hide Life  + stuff

Does a staggered Swiftblade take normal actions? If so, combine it with that spell that Matyr spell and you have a fucking awesome concept.

[SorO_Lost]

You're staggered forever because you took 12 trillion damage, and can't be bothered to heal yourself that much.

Pretty much. Once the Spell is saving you form being dead at -11HP you lose the ability to be healed which locks you into a dead/staggered state.

Unless you put your head in a bucket of water. 

Or a friendly psion.

Is there any particular REASON we're sticking our head inside the friendly psion?

So we feel better.

[SorO_Lost]

Does a staggered Swiftblade take normal actions? If so, combine it with that spell that Matyr spell and you have a fucking awesome concept.

Yeah, stack orders apply. Stagger knocks you down to a single Move or Standard, Haste gives you another Standard. Immunity to being Staggered solves all your problems.

However, remember Undead and Outsiders are "destroyed" upon entering negatives. It's a bit different than being killed (sic, one leaves a corpse, normally) and doesn't work if you go by direct wording. So you'll want to use Favored of the Matyr over Necropoliton.

[snakeman830]

In case the DM rules that "suffocation/drowning can't heal you

[spacemonkey555]

In case the DM rules that "suffocation/drowning can't heal you

If damage or a spell effect would normally render you disabled, dying, or dead, you ignore the usual effects.

Wouldn't transparency apply?

[Gazzien]

In case the DM rules that "suffocation/drowning can't heal you

If damage or a spell effect would normally render you disabled, dying, or dead, you ignore the usual effects.

Wouldn't transparency apply?

To the disabled part, but it also sets your HP to -1, no?

[spacemonkey555]

In case the DM rules that "suffocation/drowning can't heal you

If damage or a spell effect would normally render you disabled, dying, or dead, you ignore the usual effects.

Wouldn't transparency apply?

To the disabled part, but it also sets your HP to -1, no?

I see it as one effect, but you ignore the usual effects, not the singular effect.