General Discussion and Sugestions

[Raineh Daze]

I... can't work out what the class features DO. Really. No clue at all.

[Anomander]

It is as written. You get the racial traits and abilities of the chosen race.
So say you are a dwarf and you take Crossbreed (Elf), you get all the things you'd have for being an elf on top of your dwarf things.

[Raineh Daze]

Oooooh.

... you know, this would be a crappy thing to ever cross with human; it basically eats up humanity's advantage. Omnomnomnom. Guess it'd be best to cross with some sort of base monster for the type advantages, and a player race so you can use things that only target people...

[Anomander]

Among other things.

I think it *could* work and stay balanced if it didn't require any Monster Blooded/Hybrid feat to get into them.
There may be a few exceptions but most races' benefits are about in line with or worse than what a level in your average monster class grants.

[oslecamo]

Yeah, considering it's taking a whole level that doesn't give anything else it may work whitout any feat prerequisites.

[Anomander]

I'll make it so then.
It might be circumstantially a little too good if only because it makes it possible to get a monster class and then get the benefits of a base class without taking Monster Blooded and Monster Hybrid (since before the Crossbreed a base race would have needed the feats to enter a monster class).
If taking a level is compensation enough, then I'm fine with that balance fix.

[Chrononaut]

Thinking about taking a crack at filling out the entire set of Eladrin with the Tulani (in current concept: dream based gish) but it is complex for two reasons
A: It's CR 18 meaning a lot of levels to fill
B: It's actually GOT enough SLAs to justify being called a 'spellcaster' which all have to be scaled in.

In light of this, is it ok to have an in-progress post or would you prefer I work elsewhere and load the whole thing in?

[Concerned Ninja Citizen]

For Crossbreed, is there a limit to how many times you can take it now the feat prereqs are gone?

Also, maybe add a line regarding size. Do you always gain the size of your crossbred race or can you choose either size if they're different?

As to "how broken is this really?"

Water Orc + Lesser Chaond = +4 to all physical stats in exchange for -2 to int and wis and -4 to cha.

Anthropomorphic Bat + Anthropomorphic Toad = +12 wis in exchange for crippling penalties to other stats but still, that's 30 wis at level 1 (or 2 really since you need a level of something else to make it useful.)

Beguiler + Lesser Wispling = +10 dex, +4 int, -6 str

[oslecamo]

Yeah, lesser outsiders and the RHD and LA 0 antros allow you to churn out some pretty strong ability score bonuses for the dip.

But provided you're not gaining any actual ability besides ability scores, I'm kinda fine with that.

If anything, make the Bab progression explicitly poor and reduce the skill points to 2+Int mod.

Thinking about taking a crack at filling out the entire set of Eladrin with the Tulani (in current concept: dream based gish) but it is complex for two reasons
A: It's CR 18 meaning a lot of levels to fill
B: It's actually GOT enough SLAs to justify being called a 'spellcaster' which all have to be scaled in.

In light of this, is it ok to have an in-progress post or would you prefer I work elsewhere and load the whole thing in?

Whatever you prefer. Most people here choose to post when they have a monster fully developed, but it's not uncommon for someone to first post an half-done draft and then fill it up over the following weeks.

[Anomander]

I think the Anthropomorphic animals as a whole are technically all covered by the Anthropomorphic Animal monster class.

There are no limits meant to be instated on how often the class could be taken.
But yeah, the cost for the ability scores are those acquired as part of being the races, but it also costs a level per race. Which is a pretty darn expensive thing when you think of every other thing a single level could grant.

If anything, make the Bab progression explicitly poor and reduce the skill points to 2+Int mod.

Alright. I thought it was taxing enough as is but why not.

[oslecamo]

Any reasons why you still didn't post the crossbreed on its own thread? Or you want me to take care of it?

Plus

Did you put it in the Index? I do not see it.

I only add my own monster classes to the index when I have the next ready to post.

[Anomander]

Forgot it existed. Adding now.

[Niu]

Kinda curious why some awakened creatures, (Badger, Bear, possibly others) became Magical Beasts, while others, (Electric Eel, Boar, and a couple others) retained their normal type?

[oslecamo]

Incosistency oversight. Those specific examples should become magical beasts since that's what happen to awakened animals.

In non-animal cases however type remains unchanged.

[TiaC]

How about a feat that lets [Good] creatures with spontaneous spellcasting cast sanctified spells?

[oslecamo]

Don't good creatures get sanctified spells by default?

[Raineh Daze]

Why would all their spells automatically gain a subtype?

[TiaC]

Don't good creatures get sanctified spells by default?

From BoED:Spellcasters prepare sanctified spells just as they do regular spells, and casters who do not prepare spells (including sorcerers and bards) cannot make use of them except from a scroll.

Since most of your celestials cast as favored souls, they can't cast sanctified spells without all five levels of exalted arcanist.(Which they don't qualify for as it's an arcane PrC.)

[oslecamo]

Added Sanctified Soul to the feat section.

[oslecamo]

Updated the Aasimar, Tiefling, Chaondi and Zenythri to have a second good save, 4 skill points per level, and the option of gaining +2 to one stat instead of a couple +1s.