A Charismatic fighter with a Brain...

[Power]

Space, I don't know who you are, but you can settle down now. I already said my piece; you don't need to contribute your lack of insight here. I'm not looking to derail the thread with a whole argument on this mess, and I believe I already intimated that if this tangent continues, that's what we'll be looking at.


EDIT: Adding here because I'd really rather not make a new post just for something like this.

Ya, because you already did derail the thread.

What manner of stupidity is this? "I'm not derailing! It's already derailed! I'm just going for the extra mile!" Seriously. Settle down.

[More white knight bullshit follows.]

I'd like to say your heart's in the right place, but you're really going about this the wrong way.

Also, if anyone wants to take issue with me, just take it to PM.

[spacemonkey555]

Space, you can settle down now. I already said my piece; you don't need to contribute your lack of insight here. I'm not looking to derail the thread with a whole argument on this mess, and I believe I already intimated that if this tangent continues, that's what we'll be looking at.

Ya, because you already did derail the thread. I'm sure Goongalago will appreciate you taking the high road and not messing up his thread with further profanity, insults, and rants.

[Goongalagoo]

I honestly don't see why there's so much hate on Pathfinder.
It's a solid system, and a decent setting.

But that's for another thread.

I'll have to rewrite this build up, using some of the ideas presented here, and see how it looks. Then I'll repost it and tear it apart some more.
I played this character at level 9 in a one-shot, and had a blast doing it. He took a little damage, but the party had a great time being able to move about the battlefield with more ease, knowing that he had their backs at all times.

[Goongalagoo]

Ya, because you already did derail the thread. I'm sure Goongalago will appreciate you taking the high road and not messing up his thread with further profanity, insults, and rants.

I actually had to scroll up and see where this came from because I was just ignoring his posts.
He never really had anything constructive to say, and since I'm here for constructive criticism, I just skipped his childish antics once I realized that he doesn't know basic rules or feats to begin with.
I can't learn from someone like that...nobody can.
The only thing you learn from people like this, is bad habits and poor judgement.

And I never got defensive about my build, I simply explained why it was a Charismatic Fighter, and not a regular fighter.
Moving on...

[Gazzien]

Ya, because you already did derail the thread. I'm sure Goongalago will appreciate you taking the high road and not messing up his thread with further profanity, insults, and rants.

I actually had to scroll up and see where this came from because I was just ignoring his posts.
He never really had anything constructive to say, and since I'm here for constructive criticism, I just skipped his childish antics once I realized that he doesn't know basic rules or feats to begin with.
I can't learn from someone like that...nobody can.
The only thing you learn from people like this, is bad habits and poor judgement.

And I never got defensive about my build, I simply explained why it was a Charismatic Fighter, and not a regular fighter.
Moving on...

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that yes, he knew what the rules and feats said, and suggested them because changing the weapon you use, or how you get damage, or whatever would be preferable to keeping a weapon and being more split-focused.

I'll admit I wasn't paying complete attention to most of it, but it seemed like the point he tried to make was "Why use a fighter for this? If you have to use a fighter, why not use [example A], [option B], or [path C]", and he was rebuked with "There's no reason to use [A/B/C] because he's a fighter! Not trying to be a bard/ etc". The options weren't rebuked because they were bad ideas, but more because they were attached in the same post / by the same user who was suggesting a different class.

Still, if you had fun with it, don't change a thing! The most important part of D&D is to have fun, after all~

... only that last sentence is important, I promise

[Sinfire Titan]

Also, if anyone wants to take issue with me, just take it to PM.

Or maybe you can stop being a douchebag and start being civil.

[X-Codes]

I honestly don't see why there's so much hate on Pathfinder.
It's a solid system, and a decent setting.

For some people it's personal.  When Pathfinder was going through it's "beta" phase or whatever it was called, there were people on this forum involved.  People who had played, bent, and broken 3.5e over their knee in about 500 different ways and knew what it's problems were and how to fix them.  They gave sound mechanical feedback to Paizo on how to make Pathfinder a better game and were pretty harshly shut down.

For a lot of others, it's just a system that kinda fails to justify it's own existence.  It's not meaningfully different from 3.5e -- it fixes some small problems, brings a few new ones, and is basically just different enough for Paizo to avoid any sort of Trademark or Copyright troubles from WotC and continue printing material using what is basically the 3.5e ruleset.

[muktidata]

I honestly don't see why there's so much hate on Pathfinder.
It's a solid system, and a decent setting.

But that's for another thread.

I'll have to rewrite this build up, using some of the ideas presented here, and see how it looks. Then I'll repost it and tear it apart some more.
I played this character at level 9 in a one-shot, and had a blast doing it. He took a little damage, but the party had a great time being able to move about the battlefield with more ease, knowing that he had their backs at all times.

Here's that other thread which leads to other threads: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=12273.0

[awaken_D_M_golem]

I don't see what PF hate is involved in:
>>Fighter or >Fighter or Fighter+ or Fighter or Fighter-.

Heck if you don't want any improvements,
you can save a bit of time and play a Commoner
with almost the exact same feat and item stack.
Except for the obviously weaker commoner part.

I mean on the 3.5e side of things I can see how
a well minmax'd Barb 2 / Marshal 1 / Commoner X
adding UMD and Iajitsu Focus, and some diplomancing
with one item of skill boosting (from a Bard ironically)
can do lots of the things discussed so far.

shrug

[Libertad]

Here's that other thread which leads to other threads: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=12273.0

Oh you shameless shill, you!

[muktidata]

Here's that other thread which leads to other threads: http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=12273.0

Oh you shameless shill, you!

You're like half the posts in that thread, Libby. 

[Power]

Ring of Friend Shield is dubious to me. It's a 2nd level spell with hours of duration and you're charisma based. Put a magic trait in Dangerously Curious (+1 trait to UMD and UMD is now a class skill), skill that UMD a bit, and invest a plain wand of Shield Other instead if you really want the spell. Now it's a 4500 gold item instead. You'll have to stay within 30 feet but it's still much better. The real use of a Friend Shield ring is to have an out-of-combat minion with insane hp and regeneration permanently take half your damage for you. If you're both going to be in combat, might as well Shield Other.

I'd like to rectify the stupidity committed here by noting that Shield Other is actually a Paladin spell so you wouldn't need UMD to use a wand of it and that in fact using a wand is probably bad idea since you're probably better served with a Pearl of Power or two and actually casting it.

[X-Codes]

Ring of Friend Shield is dubious to me. It's a 2nd level spell with hours of duration and you're charisma based. Put a magic trait in Dangerously Curious (+1 trait to UMD and UMD is now a class skill), skill that UMD a bit, and invest a plain wand of Shield Other instead if you really want the spell. Now it's a 4500 gold item instead. You'll have to stay within 30 feet but it's still much better. The real use of a Friend Shield ring is to have an out-of-combat minion with insane hp and regeneration permanently take half your damage for you. If you're both going to be in combat, might as well Shield Other.

I'd like to rectify the stupidity committed here by noting that Shield Other is actually a Paladin spell so you wouldn't need UMD to use a wand of it and that in fact using a wand is probably bad idea since you're probably better served with a Pearl of Power or two and actually casting it.

Unless PF nerfed this spell too, it has hour/level duration, so maybe just get Practiced Spellcaster?