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Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« on: November 16, 2011, 08:21:47 PM »
Hey there!

Im in a planescape Gestalt, heavy optimization game.  Frank and K's Tome is our bread and butter.

However, I have run into a problem. Im playing a with Homebrewed classes, the Dawnblade//Priest. The sheet is here. http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=341878

Since the Dawnblade can ignore movement restrictions in heavy armor, and both classes are divine spellcasters, I plan on using heavy armor. However, this may be the first time I have ever attempted to use heavy armor in a high Op game and im not sure what to do. I was thinking about Stone plate with a bunch of armro mods, but I would like to know if there is a better option. I have about 40% of my WBL for level 12 available. I can enchant the armor daily with magic vestment, so no more than a +! is needed, im looking for best base armor and enhancements. Anything goes.

So, whatcha got for me?
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2011, 08:43:59 PM »
Re: Armbands of Dex and Str +2... WTF!?  Drop the Dex +2 if the DM is making you pay a ridiculous 8k for the extra bit.  That is just disgustingly wasteful.  Same for the Natural Armor +2 amulet, 10k for a +2 bonus?  It's seriously not even worth the 8k it costs normally.

More bad item picks in there, but that's enough of that... You need more stuff to boost your casting like Metamagic rods, Karma beads, and an Ankh of Ascension.

At your level, your Dex mod to AC is going to matter a lot more than your Armor to AC.  Generic Full Plate will let you use your vanilla +1 bonus after scrapping those terrible armbands, and a +1 bonus will let you add some useful mods.  At this level, look for Mindarmor and Death Ward (although Mindarmor might not be totally necessary).
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 08:45:52 PM »
Non-Tome: this

But if you're using Frank and K, you can probably find better in their Races of War.
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 08:56:20 PM »
I get 12 items of 15k worth or less for free. Those are the only items I have selected so far.

There are decent armors, but I don't really like any of them. Im thinking about THAALUD STONE ARMOR...
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 09:01:30 PM »
Since you ignore movement penalties anyway, Mechanicus Gear is the best heavy armor to go with (+10 AC, 0 Max Dex, terrible ACP, slows you even more than normal).  If you've got the article on the topic, Dragon Magazine has options that can make it Reinforced for +1AC.  Mithral would let you use that Dex bonus, and Oerthblood is worth it if you can craft the armor yourself.  Also consider Netcutter Armor Spikes.

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 09:02:37 PM »
Clockwork Armor with Resist Cold 10

except it is out of your budget
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2011, 09:09:31 PM »
I get 12 items of 15k worth or less for free. Those are the only items I have selected so far.

There are decent armors, but I don't really like any of them. Im thinking about THAALUD STONE ARMOR...
Races of War Mechanus Armor
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Mechanus Armor

A powerful collection of gears and chains that offers the finest protection that the Clockwork Nirvana can devise. Sometimes, a small jet of steam or oil will be ejected for no particular reason.

    Knowledge (Engineering) Ranks: Benefit
    4: You gain a +2 bonus to Strength.
    8: You are not staggered or unconscious when reduced to zero or less hit points. You still die at -10 hit points, though it is not unknown for the armor to continue fighting for some time after that.
    13: You gain DR equal to the Armor Bonus of the armor, which is negated by adamantine weaponry.
    18: Your size increases one level, and receive all relevant bonuses and penalties.

Adamantine Carapace from the same work:

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Adamantine Carapace

    BAB: Benefit
    +1: You gain Damage Reduction equal to your Base Attack Bonus, which is negated by Adamantine Weapons.
    +5: You gain a +2 bonus on Bullrush checks.
    +10: You do not provoke attacks of opportunity when charging.
    +15: You gain 5 points of Energy Resistance to Electricity, Acid, and Sonic.
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2011, 09:12:57 PM »
Ankh of Ascention + Requilary Holy Symbol = 10k
Extend Rod = 11k
Lesser Chaining Rod = 14k
+1 Death Ward Ghost Ward Mindarmor TSA = 14,950gp
+1/+1 Ghost Ward Spellstrike Light Steel Shield = 12,165gp
+1 Defending Spellblade [Greater Dispel Magic] Club = 14,300gp

Bead of Karma = 20k, but buy one anyway

EDIT: Aside from the Headband you've got, I probably wouldn't take any of the other items you listed.
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2011, 09:13:49 PM »
If you're willing to spend three feats (two for crappy prerequisites), you can get the deflective armor feat (Races of Stone).  That lets you add your armor bonus to touch AC. 

Slap the restful enhancement (Dungeonscape) on your armor so you can sleep in it. 

Here are my notes on mundane armor modifications.  See if anything is useful to you. 
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2011, 10:18:01 PM »
I'm not willing to burn skill ranks on an armor, so tome armro is not an option. The bab based armor isn't good enough to use either.
Ankh of Ascention + Requilary Holy Symbol = 10k
Extend Rod = 11k
Lesser Chaining Rod = 14k
+1 Death Ward Ghost Ward Mindarmor TSA = 14,950gp
+1/+1 Ghost Ward Spellstrike Light Steel Shield = 12,165gp
+1 Defending Spellblade [Greater Dispel Magic] Club = 14,300gp
Bead of Karma = 20k, but buy one anyway

EDIT: Aside from the Headband you've got, I probably wouldn't take any of the other items you listed.
TSA?
Why a club and not another weapon? Spell blade?

Forgive my ignorance, it's why I'm asking for help.

Maat, we get a regular feat every level so I might do it for the armor. The mods are very helpful, thank you.

While I'm at it, any other random items less than 15k you suggest?
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2011, 11:01:35 PM »
If you're willing to spend three feats (two for crappy prerequisites), you can get the deflective armor feat (Races of Stone).  That lets you add your armor bonus to touch AC. 

Slap the restful enhancement (Dungeonscape) on your armor so you can sleep in it. 

Deflective Armor only works when the user is psionically focused.  So far I do not get the impression the OP's character has that capability.

Why use a straight enhancement when the Restful property can be gotten through an armor crystal?  It's something like 500g in the MiC.  Or there's the possibility of putting the Called property on it which makes donning it a standard action and a few other perks.

Since others have gone over heavy armor, I'll put in a word about shields.  A mithral gauntlet shield can be used without any non-proficiency penalty.  It's a heavy shield, but it keeps the hand free for things besides using a weapon (such as casting a spell).  Shield AC can be applied to Touch AC via two feats.  Parrying Shield has no prereqs, but only applies the shield bonus to AC.  Shield Ward has prereqs, but it allows the character to use the shield's AC as a bonus against trip attempts and other things in addition to having it apply to touch AC.
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2011, 11:23:31 PM »
The stone armor you mentioned from Anarouch the empires of shade is probably the best bet for heavy armor you can get. The +12 armor bonus is as high as it goes for normal armor.

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2011, 11:52:26 PM »
Deflective Armor only works when the user is psionically focused.  So far I do not get the impression the OP's character has that capability.

The three feats I was referring to are deflective armor, heavy armor optimization, and wild talent.  Wild talent gives the ability to gain psionic focus. 

Why use a straight enhancement when the Restful property can be gotten through an armor crystal?

Restful is a flat 500 gp whether it's the armor special ability of the armor crystal.  The advantages of the armor crystal are that it can be transferred between armors, and it doesn't require a base +1 enhancement bonus.  The advantage of the armor special ability is that you can use a different armor crystal. 

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 09:28:02 AM »
Soulfire Armor (+4) from the book of exalted deeds is probably the best ability you can put on your armor.

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2011, 02:45:58 PM »
The three feats I was referring to are deflective armor, heavy armor optimization, and wild talent.  Wild talent gives the ability to gain psionic focus.
That it does.  Perhaps it's just me, but I don't think everyone will instantly think of the feat's unlisted prereq feat.  Better to be specific and detailed when giving advice after all.


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Restful is a flat 500 gp whether it's the armor special ability of the armor crystal.  The advantages of the armor crystal are that it can be transferred between armors, and it doesn't require a base +1 enhancement bonus.  The advantage of the armor special ability is that you can use a different armor crystal.
Both are good options, but the crystal won't be used full time.  What kind of armor crystal would you use in place of Restful for a sleeping character?

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2011, 03:50:02 PM »
… the crystal won't be used full time.

That's a good point.  I was imagining keeping the same crystal on all the time. 

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2011, 04:51:10 PM »
Soulfire is to expensive for the campaign Im in. In an undead heavy games its a life saver, but for now deathward will be fine.

Im getting a restful crystal. No need to pay more for a permanent version.

Good news! I can get the armor crafted for half price for free! So my budget is now 60% of WBL for a level 12 PC. That means im looking for even more ways to boost my AC, reduce ACP, and boost dex bonus. A few enchantments like deathward will also likely be added.

Still not sure what all these are.

+1 Death Ward Ghost Ward Mindarmor TSA = 14,950gp
+1/+1 Ghost Ward Spellstrike Light Steel Shield = 12,165gp
+1 Defending Spellblade [Greater Dispel Magic] Club = 14,300gp

Clarification is much appreciated.
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2011, 05:24:47 PM »
+1 Death Ward Ghost Ward Mindarmor TSA = 14,950gp
That's the stone armor.  Death Ward gives you a 1/day negation of a death effect, Ghost Ward lets you apply your armor bonus to AC to your touch AC, Mindarmor gives you a +5 bonus to saves vs. mind-affecting 3/day.

+1/+1 Ghost Ward Spellstrike Light Steel Shield = 12,165gp
Instead of light steel shield, use the shield gauntlet.  +1/+1 means it's enhanced as a weapon and as a shield.  Ghost Ward applies your shield bonus to AC to your touch AC.  Spellstrike is like defending, only it boosts saving throws instead of AC.

+1 Defending Spellblade [Greater Dispel Magic] Club = 14,300gp
Spellblade negates any one targeted spell cast on you, and lets you throw it back at the caster as a free action on your turn.  Club because it's cheap, if you want a Longsword or something then go for it, but your spellcasting is going to be what's really important, anyway.

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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2011, 05:28:53 PM »
Do you have to be wielding the weapon for spellstrike to work? Because with the class features I will be able to channel any Divine touch spell I know through my weapon. Thats what I planned on doing. Preferably with a better weapon, like a bastard sword.
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Re: Best Heavy Armor for a Divine Gish
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2011, 05:30:01 PM »
Do you have to be wielding the weapon for spellstrike to work? Because with the class features I will be able to channel any Divine touch spell I know through my weapon. Thats what I planned on doing. Preferably with a better weapon, like a bastard sword.
I'd rather have 50 gp and a club than a Bastard Sword.