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Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« on: February 27, 2014, 05:31:42 AM »
Are there weapons/classes/races that allow for two weapon (improved etc) along with reach attacks?

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2014, 06:51:38 AM »
Not quite what you might be looking for, but there's that Aberrant feat which gives you reach at a -1 attack penalty.  Forgot the name.
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2014, 09:03:18 AM »
Well there are several one handed weapons with reach... is that what you are looking for?  Kusarigama is in the DMG and Spinning Sword is in Secrets of Sarlona.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 09:23:08 AM »
Not quite what you might be looking for, but there's that Aberrant feat which gives you reach at a -1 attack penalty.  Forgot the name.

Inhuman Reach

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2014, 11:50:38 AM »
There is also a Vile feat that gives you reach, Deformity (Tall) I think.

Whips also have reach, though you need either whip daggers or levels in the Lasher PrC to make good use of the reach.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2014, 12:37:14 PM »
The short answer is that you can already TWF with two reach weapons - if you can wield a reach weapon in each of two hands.

In addition to what others have suggested, you could buy two weapons one size category smaller than you are (for example, if you are medium, buy two small spiked chains). This makes them one-handed weapons, but you take a -2 penalty to attack rolls with them (in addition to the penalties from TWF) and also decreases the damage die. The attack penalty, on top of the costs of TWF, is annoying, but the damage decrease is compensated by the fact that you're wielding two of them.

Because of the extra penalty and the lower damage, I would really only do this if you didn't want to be aberrant or deformed, and you couldn't get access to any reach weapons that are naturally one-handed.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2014, 01:45:38 PM »
Simulating a feat via magic item is a thing, right? Because warforged with flying chained fists, via the arms deformed feat above priced as a magic enhancement to your arms could be a thing. I think that's going into weird territory involving magic item pricing models that you'd need to approve with your GM, as well as EXPENSIVE

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2014, 03:42:54 PM »
There's also diopsid (Dragon Compendium, p10).  It's a +1 LA race that allows you to two-weapon fight with two two-handed weapons. 

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2014, 03:56:00 PM »
If you can get 4 arms, you can also two-weapon fight with 2 2-handed weapons. I'm not entirely sure what the correct way to figure out penalties and str bonuses to damage is, but it's possible. That one insect psionic race comes to mind, but I'm away from my books and can't remember exactly what they're called. Doesn't Savage Species have a template with extra arms, too?
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2014, 04:05:35 PM »
Not exactly the same: "Dancing" reach weapon + another reach weapon :tongue

Otherwise, your could probably grow a new set of arms (ex.: with "Girallon's Blessing") and wield the weapons.

I'm not sure of this, but i think the Goliath's Powerful Build ability could allow the creature to use 2 medium sized 2-handed melee weapons.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2014, 04:31:31 PM »
If you can get 4 arms, you can also two-weapon fight with 2 2-handed weapons. I'm not entirely sure what the correct way to figure out penalties and str bonuses to damage is, but it's possible. That one insect psionic race comes to mind, but I'm away from my books and can't remember exactly what they're called. Doesn't Savage Species have a template with extra arms, too?
Thri-kreen?  Also printed in Savage Species and MM2.

The template is Insectile.
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2014, 05:04:53 PM »
Even a human could wield two whips, one in each hand.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2014, 08:04:46 PM »
I'm also interested in this. Deformity(Tall)+Inhuman Reach=15 foot natural reach. Wielding a reach weapon gives 30 feet, which is the maximum for sneak attack.

Kinda like this?

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 09:01:39 PM »
Long Arm fiendish graft gives 15ft? reach

doesn't being large w reach double your reach?
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 10:13:41 PM »
Long Arm fiendish graft gives 15ft? reach

doesn't being large w reach double your reach?

Having a reach weapon doubles your reach. Being large merely gives a 5' increase.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2014, 10:24:43 PM »
10ft large + 5ft Inhuman Reach + 5ft long arm x 2 reach weapon = 40ft

what about the Dragon mag's Awl Spike? Normally gives 15ft reach, would that triple a Large creature's reach?
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2014, 09:40:04 AM »
Long Arm fiendish graft gives 15ft? reach

doesn't being large w reach double your reach?

Having a reach weapon doubles your reach. Being large merely gives a 5' increase.
But you apply that in the other order if you're both (not arguing, just clarifying for anyone who doesn't know).
10' reach (Large) + using a reach weapon = 20' reach
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2014, 04:10:29 AM »
Couldn't a Drunken Master 4 wield a 100ft rope as a double weapon w 50ft reach (rope spiked chain)?

what happens to the reach if you become large? 100ft/hand?
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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2014, 04:42:14 AM »
Warshaper 3 adds 5ft reach. It's not that hard to qualify for and the first two levels are pretty good too.

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Re: Two Weapon Fighting With Reach
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2014, 05:02:55 PM »
The Shield and Pike Style feat, allows someone to wield a light shield along with a piercing polearm at no penalty.  One could make it a spiked shield, and use Improved Shield Bash to get at foes that are too close for the polearm.