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[DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« on: March 15, 2014, 06:50:44 AM »
I'm looking to make an epic level character for a game tomarrow. I know, its a bit late in that.

We're missing ranged arcane power, but I'm not wanting to just go overpowered mage that blasts everything to bits. Well.. I kinda do. but I want to have fun. So I'd like to minmax things to do something bizzare. Like a specializing in using weapons with dancing weapons and whirling blade and the like. Or darkness illusions or something.

Rules are- Half breeds are probably not going to be allowed or are restricted. But I'm looking to play an animal-humanoid race. Like Catfolk or something.

Something I'm thinking of doing is Warlock and focusing in blasting stuff.

I've found out a few hours ago we're doing the whole defense thing from unearthed arcana (So fighters have like 23 touch ac now)
We've got an array of 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15
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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 06:51:48 AM »
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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 03:25:15 PM »
Epic is crazy.

At epic levels, your race is more flavor, than having any effect at all.


Well, doing something like a Warlock + Sorc + dual caster prc
+ mix in the Glaive-Lock material, would fit almost every one
of your ideas; throw it in a gumbo, and enjoy the seasonings.
Just make sure you get to Sorc 18 casting for the 9s.
Warlock guide has all this.
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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 06:36:20 PM »
https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20061027a

I wanna know something.

I can use two Elditch blasts as a full round action, Elritch Glaive is using Elditch Blast (Since its a blast shape.) Would this mean I could use two Eldritch Glaives in one turn?

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2014, 03:37:03 AM »
Well.. Thank you on this ^^

My Warlock ended up doing 388 Dmg or so, in one full round attack.

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2014, 12:53:25 PM »
Eldritch Sculptor might not work on Eldritch Glaive since it specifies no rules for that particular invocation.  It depends on how one interprets the feat I suppose.  Just another reason EG is a pain to work with since it's such an odd invocation.

The Quicken Spell-like Ability feat would work for the purpose of allowing for two Eldritch Glaive uses, although the designers might not have intended for that to happen.

Do keep in mind Eldritch Blast can crit and such since it's (normally) a weaponlike spell effect.  Using a shape that takes away the attack roll means it's no longer weaponlike and thus can't crit.

What measurement are you comparing your warlock's damage to?  388 damage isn't all that impressive for a 25th level character, depending on sources allowed and such.  But if it's similar damage to what other characters in your group are doing, and you all feel like you're doing good and not lagging behind on damage for encounters then it'll work.

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2014, 01:27:28 PM »
Eldritch Sculptor might not work on Eldritch Glaive since it specifies no rules for that particular invocation.  It depends on how one interprets the feat I suppose.  Just another reason EG is a pain to work with since it's such an odd invocation.

The Quicken Spell-like Ability feat would work for the purpose of allowing for two Eldritch Glaive uses, although the designers might not have intended for that to happen.

Do keep in mind Eldritch Blast can crit and such since it's (normally) a weaponlike spell effect.  Using a shape that takes away the attack roll means it's no longer weaponlike and thus can't crit.

What measurement are you comparing your warlock's damage to?  388 damage isn't all that impressive for a 25th level character, depending on sources allowed and such.  But if it's similar damage to what other characters in your group are doing, and you all feel like you're doing good and not lagging behind on damage for encounters then it'll work.

Well, the Glaive is a shape that applies to the blast. But I could see that it might be only be the /base/ eldritch blast and this that feat is actually a shape as well.

I don't really have a comparison to compair too. Other than my own HP and the fact the enemy I used it on was oblitterated instantly. The others kinda looked at me a bit funny as if I was OP too. Mind you, the DM has a stacking allowment on keen + Improved critical.. So yeah, most players are critting nearly 50% of the time. (Hence why I have cloths that gives me 100% crit immunity.)

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=828931

is my character sheet so far. The feats are at the bottom, and I'm allowed to pick up any sort of gear I want and can afford between now and next session. And i can move some of my skill points around to fit things. We've got a few house rules going, mostly no half ranks. Everything is 1 rank, kinda like pathfinder, but you can still only have half your max skill points in skills that are still cross class. I'm thinking of dropping one CL of warlock to pick up exemplar to make all skills class. Maybe Uncanny trickster, though that would take a bit longer to get.

I'm dropping the ring of evasion, since my boots of swiftness have evasion.


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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2014, 04:31:53 PM »
What's going on with your armor there?  +1 Clothes of Heavy Fort would normally just be a +1 since regular clothing doesn't confer an AC bonus.  How are you getting +13?

What rules are in place regarding your Eldritch Glaive?  The next few points are going over the strict rules interactions.

Based on your feats, I'm guessing your DM is treating the Elritch Glaive as a light weapon?  If so, that's okay, but you both should note that it doesn't technically work like that since EG is still a spell effect and moreover isn't a touch range spell (a touch range spell is different than a touch attack spell) that could benefit from Weapon Finesse as per the rules in Complete Arcane page 72 or 73.

Your attack bonuses are technically wrong on the Eldritch Glaive entry.  Iterative attacks are at a -5 each, thus you'd be getting a +30/+25/+20/+15 routine.  Note that Eldritch Glaive isn't a full attack action and is instead a full round action, which means it technically does not benefit from the haste effect of your boots.  It wouldn't be overpowered to say that it could though.

Good on your DM for using fractional BAB and allowing Practiced Spellcaster to work for Warlocks, including the Blast progression.


I'm guessing you couldn't have used the drow fighter option (referred to on these boards as "Hit And Run")?  It's found in Drow of the Underdark but technically doesn't require being a drow.  It trades away heavy armor and tower shield proficiency for dex to melee weapon damage when you're hitting a flat-footed enemy (might work on your Glaive.  Ask your DM), and it gets +2 to initiative.  If all you wanted from the level was Weapon Finesse and full BAB then swashbuckler might have worked better for you since you're not using heavy armor anyway and you'd get more skills to use.  The retraining rules in the PHB2 might be useful here if you want to do that

If you want to look over any ACFs in the regular books and online, take a look at this index.

A level of exemplar might work, but there's also the factotum class from Dungeonscape that gets all skills as class skills.  Going that route would mean you don't have to spend a feat on Skill Focus to enter exemplar, but you don' gain the exemplar's skill-focused stuff on the first level either, if that's something you were interested in.  Factotum does have its own interesting possibilities though and you have enough Int that it might be useful.

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2014, 05:19:36 PM »
Armor - The DM put in the rules from Unearthed Arcana to have a class based AC bonus. Because of my level of fighter, I gain 6 ac at first level, +1 for every three character levels after. As opposed to having quite a bit more AC for all my multiclasses. The heavy armor prof from fighter was important for this, and the reason why he's on there. Only problem with it, It adds to Touch AC not flatfooted AC, something the sheet doesn't cover well.


With Eldritch Glaive, all the Glaivelock handbooks say it works with the glaive. Hence why its ran as such. Same with practiced Spell Caster, if you follow what Baker says at least. As for Fractional BAB, I don't know how you got that. Hexcrafter and fighter are full BAB classes... Ah! I know. I took those classes before level 20. Hellfire warlock I took after level 20, specifically to keep my BAB high enough to qualify for the last attack.

And haha.. Just another bit of power I weakened myself on. Time to boost those. I also forgot the AB for being invisible during the fight.Actually.. my AB was still wrong after that too. Epic levels gave me +3 to my attack, that was only being applied to melee.. and not range.

For Factotum/Exemplar the focus is mostly just to get the skills.. I suppose I could get the factotum actually, since that provides for me better than the exemplar does.
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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2014, 04:53:24 PM »
What is the damage of a level 25 character generally suppose to be around?

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2014, 07:44:46 PM »
Depends a lot on how the DM runs things and such.  In a high power game though, perhaps a base of 500-1000 damage a round without much setup might be used if one were to actually think damage itself was a worthwhile end.  If on takes a harder look at the possibilities of even high-end play before level 20 one tends to find it's rocket tag where damage itself doesn't mean much in the wake of Save Or Die kinds of effects.

Note that it's entirely possible to get over 3000 damage a round by level 20 through various means (some more cheesy than others of course).  An ubercharger barbarian maximizing the damage of Power Attack and various charge-boosting feats and effects can do over 5k damage on a charging full attack with pounce. 

But don't let the high end of the possibilities bother you.  Keeping up within the party is the most important part.  If your group is looking at you like you're a bit overpowered, you should either stay where you are and let them get used to it or perhaps tone things down a little.  Don't try to push it since it could end up just making more conflicts than it's worth.

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2014, 08:33:16 PM »
I just wanna say "Well, I'm not doing XXXX amount of damage like I could have if I actually did min/max power"  :lmao

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 09:38:01 PM »
level 25 is exactly what you need for x5/Incantatrix 10/Dweomerkeeper 10.  Just saying.  Of course Improved Metamagic is a lot less impressive once you are actually epic.

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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2014, 11:29:25 PM »
As it turns out, we only used the epic level characters for three weeks. ><


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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 02:59:40 PM »
So ...  :D

How many Demon Lords did you Kill , or Eat , or Both ?!
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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2014, 03:29:29 PM »
None. We had a battle with a scorpion sand thing that resisted all magically and physical damage, except hellfire element. That made its AC increase.


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Re: [DnD 3.5] Epic Level 25 character
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2014, 02:11:40 PM »
Ouch ... never know what houserules a DM will spring on you.
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