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Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« on: March 25, 2014, 02:03:14 AM »
By taking the Wavekeeper class, one can get Elemental Wild Shape at ECL 12. Is this the earliest that Elemental Wild Shape becomes available?
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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2014, 04:19:14 PM »
Interesting.

Ranger can qualify for the PrC 1 level earlier.
Paladin too, needs that AniCom adder feat (hazy).

Druid 1 / Divine Minion +1LA / Master Of Many Forms 9
... with LA buy-off would be 10th level, and on time.

However a middle-aged pun-pun would now be watching you.
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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2014, 04:43:57 PM »
Interesting.

Ranger can qualify for the PrC 1 level earlier.
Paladin too, needs that AniCom adder feat (hazy).

Druid 1 / Divine Minion +1LA / Master Of Many Forms 9
... with LA buy-off would be 10th level, and on time.

However a middle-aged pun-pun would now be watching you.

MoMF specifically requires Wild Shape to be a class ability to qualify though, so Divine Minion shouldn't work. If there was a way to get 40,000 gold you could buy a Wild Shape Amulet (Magic of Faerun) to wild shape at level 1.

If someone could get into MoMF at level 2, gargantuan wild shape at level 11 would be fun. Roll a venerable Dragonwrought kobold for Epic feats and take Colossal Wild Shape and Improved Elemental Wild Shape to be any colossal elemental you'd like at ECL 11. But that's kind of cheesy.
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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2014, 05:14:18 PM »
hmm , the level 5 Pun-pun build was Sorc 1 / Divine Minion +1 / MoMF 3.
I'm assuming the arguments about it are still in there.

PHB 2 Rebuilding at near T.O. cheese level, could back build
pretty much the same thing. 

Illithid Savant could eat the brain iirc at ecl 9. 
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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2014, 06:01:20 PM »
Goliath druid substitution levels grant access to earth elemental form at level 12. That seems like it could help in some fashion.

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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2014, 03:23:59 PM »
Any way to stack wildshape items and class abilities?
Say like the bloodline + legacy champ prc, type approach.
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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 01:24:42 PM »
It doesn't say "as a class feature" it says "wild shape class feature" as in "wild shape, which is a class feature in case you've forgotten"

You can interpret it as you hinting, but it is an interpretational move.

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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2014, 02:24:25 PM »
 :) ... I suppose now you wanna bring down a whole era of Pun-pun.
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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2014, 11:19:33 PM »
I already did. Dirty Trick Handbook lists share spells as the true culprit even with Pazazu Pazazu Pazazu Pun Pun.

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Re: Earliest possible Elemental Wild Shape?
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2014, 03:19:47 PM »
Drat !! (?)

More of your stuff I've got to read,
and either argue or kitty avatar -ificationalize it.
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