Necrotic Cowboys [3.5]

[phaedrusxy]

I'll just post this now, I guess.

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I think the mummy would actually be better. DN 1/Mummy (Tomb King) 2 loses no caster levels at all. Then you can dip Evolved Undead for fast healing (and still no lost CL), and then maybe go back to Mummy for the gaze attacks (or go DN 8 for the boost to Animate Undead).

I wanted to pick up the better-undead from EU first, and Mummy just... eh, I don't know. Didn't shine for me.

-shrug- Incorporeal is fun, too... Though I'm losing two caster levels for it, that's true.

Which one from EU? I really only see Desecrate (which you can get from a ring) and the one that gives your spawn +4 Str & Cha.

[Gazzien]

I'll just post this now, I guess.

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I think the mummy would actually be better. DN 1/Mummy (Tomb King) 2 loses no caster levels at all. Then you can dip Evolved Undead for fast healing (and still no lost CL), and then maybe go back to Mummy for the gaze attacks (or go DN 8 for the boost to Animate Undead).

I wanted to pick up the better-undead from EU first, and Mummy just... eh, I don't know. Didn't shine for me.

-shrug- Incorporeal is fun, too... Though I'm losing two caster levels for it, that's true.

Which one from EU? I really only see Desecrate (which you can get from a ring) and the one that gives your spawn +4 Str & Cha.

Damnit... I somehow skipped over "spawn".

Mmmmn, guess I'll be making it Shadow 1 / Dread Necromancer 2, then. (I really like Shadow, now that I've seen it, ehehe.)

[Stratovarius]

Couple things:

First off, the players should vote for some form of point buy or array. 28 or 32 is the standard I've used in the past for PB.

Also, with luck we should have our board today, so once we do, I'll fire up the various threads and we can start finalizing things.

Given the amount of posts since I last checked, if you've got rules questions, best to call them out so Nanshork and I can see them directly.

Mmmmn, guess I'll be making it Shadow 1 / Dread Necromancer 2, then. (I really like Shadow, now that I've seen it, ehehe.)

Just going to toss it out there in case you haven't seen it, but I do have the Netherlord DN-alike base class. Less spells, many more undead. Although I have a sneaking suspicion I'd need to clarify a few things.

[Raineh Daze]

32-PB gets my vote. Also, Ghost/Eternal Royal?

Many, many, many inexplicable butterflies. And the ability to create negative energy patches and stuff. HEALING FOR ALL.

If we ever get rebuked by someone in the party, I will look very grumpy. :<

[Stratovarius]

If we ever get rebuked by someone in the party, I will look very grumpy. :<

Gazzien gets a +5 circumstance bonus to rebuke when Raineh Daze would be affected. +7 if she's the only undead in the area.

[Raineh Daze]

If we ever get rebuked by someone in the party, I will look very grumpy. :<

Gazzien gets a +5 circumstance bonus to rebuke when Raineh Daze would be affected. +7 if she's the only undead in the area.

DO NOT MAKE ME PLAY A VAMPIRE THAT MADE 666 SPAWNS BEFORE BEING REPEATEDLY STAKED. D:

[phaedrusxy]

Just going to toss it out there in case you haven't seen it, but I do have the Netherlord DN-alike base class. Less spells, many more undead. Although I have a sneaking suspicion I'd need to clarify a few things.

Wow... that's awesome.

I vote for 32 PB, but since we effectively get to dump (at least) one stat, I wouldn't complain about 28.

[Stratovarius]

Just going to toss it out there in case you haven't seen it, but I do have the Netherlord DN-alike base class. Less spells, many more undead. Although I have a sneaking suspicion I'd need to clarify a few things.

Wow... that's awesome.

I vote for 32 PB, but since we effectively get to dump (at least) one stat, I wouldn't complain about 28.

Why thank you

And I might suggest 32 PB -4 for every "dumped" stat. Does that reasonable?

[Raineh Daze]

Just going to toss it out there in case you haven't seen it, but I do have the Netherlord DN-alike base class. Less spells, many more undead. Although I have a sneaking suspicion I'd need to clarify a few things.

Wow... that's awesome.

I vote for 32 PB, but since we effectively get to dump (at least) one stat, I wouldn't complain about 28.

Why thank you

And I might suggest 32 PB -4 for every "dumped" stat. Does that reasonable?

That implies we'd be putting at least a 12 into the dropped stat, so not really, no. -2 seems better? We're undead, it's not likely our CON scores were all that much to begin with.

[phaedrusxy]

Just going to toss it out there in case you haven't seen it, but I do have the Netherlord DN-alike base class. Less spells, many more undead. Although I have a sneaking suspicion I'd need to clarify a few things.

Wow... that's awesome.

I vote for 32 PB, but since we effectively get to dump (at least) one stat, I wouldn't complain about 28.

Why thank you

And I might suggest 32 PB -4 for every "dumped" stat. Does that reasonable?

That implies we'd be putting at least a 12 into the dropped stat, so not really, no. -2 seems better? We're undead, it's not likely our CON scores were all that much to begin with.

I'd rather just have a fixed point buy, regardless of how many "dumped" stats we have. I'm fine with whatever PB or array we use, though. Most of Oslecamo's undead classes (which I think we're all likely using) require you to have at least a 10 Con to take them (preventing you from completely dumping it). So it's not as big of an advantage as you might imagine.

[Raineh Daze]

Just going to toss it out there in case you haven't seen it, but I do have the Netherlord DN-alike base class. Less spells, many more undead. Although I have a sneaking suspicion I'd need to clarify a few things.

Wow... that's awesome.

I vote for 32 PB, but since we effectively get to dump (at least) one stat, I wouldn't complain about 28.

Why thank you

And I might suggest 32 PB -4 for every "dumped" stat. Does that reasonable?

That implies we'd be putting at least a 12 into the dropped stat, so not really, no. -2 seems better? We're undead, it's not likely our CON scores were all that much to begin with.

I'd rather just have a fixed point buy, regardless of how many "dumped" stats we have. I'm fine with whatever PB or array we use, though. Most of Oslecamo's undead classes (which I think we're all likely using) require you to have at least a 10 Con to take them (preventing you from completely dumping it). So it's not as big of an advantage as you might imagine.

I'd prefer a consistent PB, yes.

And I just don't want to be required to have a positive modifier in a stat I would've been dumping anyway (Strength). <.<

[Nanshork]

I'd also prefer a constant PB if it makes a difference.

[oslecamo]

+1 to constant PB.

[Gazzien]

I believe my vote makes a supermajority for a constant point-buy.

My vote is for 28PB, considering that none of us have a CON. (and like half don't have a STR)

Edit: Damn you, Strat, I want to play a straight Netherlord 3 now, but I don't know how to pull off undead, because I want to be incorporeal / don't want to be a necropolitan!

[Raineh Daze]

I like 32 because it means a bit less of a need for various numerical boosters later.

[Stratovarius]

I like 32 because it means a bit less of a need for various numerical boosters later.

Player vs Player. The victor picks the PB total

Damn you, Strat, I want to play a straight Netherlord 3 now, but I don't know how to pull off undead, because I want to be incorporeal / don't want to be a necropolitan!

Go with the Shadow 1/NL 2 like you had planned with the DN?

Although, given the shadow can't talk... it'd make RP interesting.

[Gazzien]

I like 32 because it means a bit less of a need for various numerical boosters later.

Player vs Player. The victor picks the PB total

Damn you, Strat, I want to play a straight Netherlord 3 now, but I don't know how to pull off undead, because I want to be incorporeal / don't want to be a necropolitan!

Go with the Shadow 1/NL 2 like you had planned with the DN?

Although, given the shadow can't talk... it'd make RP interesting.

Well, yes, that's the current plan, but I want NL 4 as soon as possible...

Plus, yeah, that's a thing. -shrug- I wanted incorporeal undead + NL, but I don't think I can get it in 0 levels... so it'll have to be shadow 1 / NL 2.

[Raineh Daze]

If I go for Ghost/Eternal Royal, this could be interesting if we have a Shadow/Necrolord... since Border of Life has options to create temporary undead. :O

[Stratovarius]

So, boys and girls, we have our forum: Necrotic Cowboys. Feel free to start making the place feel homey

[Its me Sidney]

Is this group filled out? I figured I would just ask instead of pouring through the entire thread.