Good Aligned Accelerated Casters

[Necrosnoop110]

Looking for a PrC that has accelerated spellcasting like the Ur-priest but is not evil and is not the Apostle of Peace. Any other good ones out there?

Thanks,
Necro

[Stratovarius]

Sublime Chord is going to come up the winner for this one, probably.

Off the top of my head there's also the Blighter, Suel Archanamach, and Nar Demonbinder.

[DaCraw]

The problem with Sublime Chord as an accelerated casting PrC is that unless you find a way to break the skill rank cap, you can't enter it before level 11. At that point it overwrites your casting progression and effectively puts you 1 level behind a sorcerer. It still buys you a few levels of overwritten CL loss, but you won't be casting spells earlier than the party wizard.

[Stratovarius]

The problem with Sublime Chord as an accelerated casting PrC is that unless you find a way to break the skill rank cap, you can't enter it before level 11. At that point it overwrites your casting progression and effectively puts you 1 level behind a sorcerer. It still buys you a few levels of overwritten CL loss, but you won't be casting spells earlier than the party wizard.

Ugh, I'd forgotten those skill requirements. They're stupidly onerous. Just remembered it's always used for accelerated dual-caster cheese.

[phaedrusxy]

Looking for a PrC that has accelerated spellcasting like the Ur-priest but is not evil and is not the Apostle of Peace. Any other good ones out there?

Thanks,
Necro

Not really. Evil gets all the cool toys.

[Stratovarius]

Looking for a PrC that has accelerated spellcasting like the Ur-priest but is not evil and is not the Apostle of Peace. Any other good ones out there?

Thanks,
Necro

Not really. Evil gets all the cool toys.

"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

[Jackinthegreen]

There's also the Divine Crusader, but it requires at least 7th level to get into and only gives spells from a single domain.  Going into other PrCs that grant domains might work to boost it, but it still doesn't get a lot of spell slots to use.

[phaedrusxy]

Looking for a PrC that has accelerated spellcasting like the Ur-priest but is not evil and is not the Apostle of Peace. Any other good ones out there?

Thanks,
Necro

Not really. Evil gets all the cool toys.

"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

Yeah, pretty much... except in D&D, I think it's because the authors thought they could make overpowered/unbalanced crap as long as they restricted it to "evul" because then it would never wind up in the hands of the PCs... because they're always supposed to be good... (which... if you look at the difference in how monsters are built and CRs assigned vs. how PCs are built and LAs are assigned... is really built right into the fabric of the game...)

[Necrosnoop110]

Looking for a PrC that has accelerated spellcasting like the Ur-priest but is not evil and is not the Apostle of Peace. Any other good ones out there?

Thanks,
Necro

Not really. Evil gets all the cool toys.

"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."

Yeah, pretty much... except in D&D, I think it's because the authors thought they could make overpowered/unbalanced crap as long as they restricted it to "evul" because then it would never wind up in the hands of the PCs... because they're always supposed to be good... (which... if you look at the difference in how monsters are built and CRs assigned vs. how PCs are built and LAs are assigned... is really built right into the fabric of the game...)

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[Endarire]

Sublime Chord + Favored (feat that gives +1 max skill rank) = get in a level sooner.

[vaz]

Doesn't work, you need 2 skills with 13 ranks

[FlaminCows]

You can take Favored more than once. Also, one of the prerequisites is an Intelligence-based skill, so this should work:

Laborious Training [General]
Your selfless dedication to study and the long hours you have spent training for your craft have given you an increased capacity for learning.
Prerequisites: Int 13, Knowledge (any one) 5 ranks.
Benefit: Your maximum rank in any Intelligence- based skill equals 5 + your character level.
Normal: A character’s maximum rank in any skill equals 3 + character level.

EDIT: looking it over, I cannot find where the Favored feat gives you an extra rank. Could someone point it out for me? Found it, you actually need the Primary Contact feat, which makes it twice as feat-costly to use as early entry.

[vaz]

This feat cannot be taken more than once. If the primary contact associated with this feat dies or is otherwise removed from the campaign, the DM can, at his discretion, either replace that contact with a new contact from the same organization or allow you to name one of your other contacts as your primary contact. In either event, you do not gain the bonus skill rank a second time, but neither do you lose it just because your contact has left the campaign.

However Laborious Training and Favoured+Primary Contact will work together.

[Waazraath]

Disciple of Thrym is a non-good accelerated divine caster with a few great spells and full BaB, quite good and flavorful class. Quite easily to adapt to a disiple of Kord, Thor, etc. as well.

[Keldar]

Disciple of Thrym gets 5th level spells in 10 levels.  Its really only accelerated compared to Paladins and (most) Rangers.

[Waazraath]

Disciple of Thrym gets 5th level spells in 10 levels.  Its really only accelerated compared to Paladins and (most) Rangers.

Doesn't the same goes for the Suel Arcanamach that was suggested earlier? Besides, when you look at the spell list, you see that several spells on its list have a lower level normal, like 'summon giants' (8th level cleric spell) as a lvl 4 spell (accessible at character level 12) and 'entomb' (wiz/sor and druid 6) as a fifth lvl spell... so also in that respect it accelerates a bit.

But of course, it's no 9th level spells over 9 levels class like ur priest.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Ur Priest also has the non-evil version.

Ardent 2 cheese and magic mantle,
early qualifying but otherwise not fast advancing;
except for more cheese like psiotheurgist.

Triton gets SNA4 2 ecls early and can buy-off 2,
early qualifying for Nar Demonbinder, then
near early qualifying for Sublime Chord.

Trapsmith PrC gets good spells very early.

Otherwise, PLZ's early qualifyings are do able.

[Waazraath]

Ur Priest also has the non-evil version.

An official one? Where?

[DaCraw]

You can take Favored more than once. Also, one of the prerequisites is an Intelligence-based skill, so this should work:

Laborious Training [General]
Your selfless dedication to study and the long hours you have spent training for your craft have given you an increased capacity for learning.
Prerequisites: Int 13, Knowledge (any one) 5 ranks.
Benefit: Your maximum rank in any Intelligence- based skill equals 5 + your character level.
Normal: A character’s maximum rank in any skill equals 3 + character level.

EDIT: looking it over, I cannot find where the Favored feat gives you an extra rank. Could someone point it out for me? Found it, you actually need the Primary Contact feat, which makes it twice as feat-costly to use as early entry.

Even then, you can't enter before level 9, bringing your spellcasting in line with a wizard. Your build would look like Bard 1 / Wizard 5 / X 2 / Sublime Chord 10 / Y 2. I suppose the two spare levels are useful for theurging, but it's still not groundbreaking.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Ur Priest also has the non-evil version.

An official one? Where?

Uh not in the BoVD ... I've read around here that the one in Complete Divine has this alt possibility.  However I can not confirm = assumed factually true.



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