Early entry for Ur-Priest? and maybe Sublime Chord on top?

[jeffrie]

Well, I was just playing with how early Ur-Priest can be entered. There is a feat I saw, that I can't find now. The feat makes all Int skills level +5 for max rank. I wonder if that could be used to enter Ur-Priest early.

There is, of course, Iron Will from the Otyugh Hole. So, I think UrP can be entered at 4th level. (and a question, is Urp 10 worth shooting for? or is the DR divine too limited, and the wait for "steal SLA" too long?)

There are several classes that give high Fort and Will, but which is best? Savage Bard seems standard. 3rd level: BaB2, 2-0-2 saves, and all the skills...

I don't really know how/if SC goes later, just playin' around with that. Urp first.... Maybe some suggestions for upper levels?

[wotmaniac]

There is a feat I saw, that I can't find now. The feat makes all Int skills level +5 for max rank. I wonder if that could be used to enter Ur-Priest early.

I think that feat is an E6 Capstone. 

[Maat Mons]

This?

[jeffrie]

Yeah, that.

Laborious Training [General]
Your selfless dedication to study and the long hours you have spent training for your craft have given you an increased capacity for learning. Prerequisites: Int 13, Knowledge (any one) 5 ranks.

Benefit: Your maximum rank in any Intelligence- based skill equals 5 + your character level. Normal: A character’s maximum rank in any skill equals 3 + character level.

From Ravenloft Legacy of the Blood pg 92

Pretty certain that a Savage Bard can enter Ur at 4th with that feat. Question is, what next?

While I'm thinkin' of fillers (suggestions?), anyone have a way to add ranks to Listen?  What about "Favored" and "Primary Contact"? Any others?

[Pjacobsen1978]

You need 8 ranks in knowledge religion to enteer so RAW says you can't enter till 6th level...

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Only with T.O.-ish cheese can earliest entry happen.
3 Major bloodline levels between 1st and 2nd normal levels,
KnowReligion + Spellcraft maxed, and all good saves.

Not good at all for those 2+ levels.

[jeffrie]

Actually, I'm almost sure I can enter Ur-Priest at 4th. I've laid out the method in the spoiler, but before I go past UrP I hope to have someone double check the work? please? (don't bother beyond 4th level).

Then, what's your opinion on:
Savage Bard3/ UrP2/ MT3/ Wild Runner2/ Arcane Hierophant 1/Sublime Chord 2/ AH 7?
Specifically; is UrP 2 even necessary? or is MT 4 'better'? All I get is rebuke for 5-14/day and i don't know yet if i can even get DMM, Extend, Persist..... OTOH, maybe I can/should, since i would be raising Cha anyway possible....

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Half elf-28 point, 10 10 10 - 16 14 14
1. Savage Bard 1 -Spell Focus(1)

Base Save Bonus: Fort +3, Will +3.= bab 0, +2 +0 +2
Skills: (6+3)x4=36 skill points
Bluff 6 ranks, 4
Hide (WR) 5 ranks, 4
Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, 4
Knowledge (WR) (nature) 5 ranks, 4
Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks, 4
Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 4
Move Silently (WR) 5 ranks, 4
Spellcraft 8 ranks. 4
Survival (WR) 8, ranks 4
Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (evil). Spell Focus

2. Savage Bard 2 -Spell Focus

Base Save Bonus: Fort +3, Will +3. = bab 1, +3 +0 +3
Skills: (6+3)= 9
Bluff 6 ranks, 5
Hide (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (WR) (nature) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 5
Move Silently (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Spellcraft 8 ranks. 5
Survival (WR) 8, ranks 5
Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (evil). Spell Focus

3. Savage Bard 3 --Spell Focus(1), Laborious Training(3), Iron Will ((3)Otyugh Hole-CS 151)

Base Save Bonus: Fort +3, Will +3.= bab 2, +3 +1 +3
Skills: (6+3)= 9
Bluff 6 ranks, 6
Hide (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (WR) (nature) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 8
Move Silently (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Spellcraft 8 ranks. 8
Survival (WR) 8, ranks 7.5
Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (evil). Spell Focus, Iron Will

4. Ur-Priest 1 --Spell Focus(1), Laborious Training(3), Iron Will ((3)Otyugh Hole-CS 151)

Base Save Bonus: Fort +3, Will +3.= bab 2, +3 +1 +5
Skills: (2+3)= 5 (5)
Bluff 6 ranks, 5
Hide (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (WR) (nature) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 8
Move Silently (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Spellcraft 8 ranks. 8
Survival (WR) 8, ranks 8
Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (evil). Spell Focus, Iron Will
Mystic Theurge prereqs
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 6 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 6 ranks.
Spells: Able to cast 2nd-level divine spells and 2nd-level arcane
spells.

5. Ur-Priest 2 ----Spell Focus(1), Laborious Training(3), Iron Will ((3)Otyugh Hole-CS 151)

Base Save Bonus: Fort +3, Will +3.= bab 3, +3 +1 +6
Skills: (2+3)= 5 (5)
Bluff 6 ranks, 5
Hide (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (WR) (nature) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 8
Move Silently (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Spellcraft 8 ranks. 8
Survival (WR) 8, ranks 8
Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (evil). Spell Focus, Iron Will
Mystic Theurge prereqs
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 6 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 6 ranks.
Spells: Able to cast 2nd-level divine spells and 2nd-level arcane spells.

6. Mystic Theurge 1 (SB4/UrP3 --Spell Focus(1), Laborious Training(3), Iron Will ((3)Otyugh Hole-CS 151), Favored(6)

Base Save Bonus: Fort +3, Will +3.= bab 3, +3 +1 +6
Skills: (2+3)= 5 (5)
Bluff 6 ranks, 5
Hide (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (arcana) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (WR) (nature) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (the planes) 5 ranks, 5
Knowledge (religion) 8 ranks, 8
Move Silently (WR) 5 ranks, 5
Spellcraft 8 ranks. 8
Survival (WR) 8, ranks 8
Feats: Iron Will, Spell Focus (evil). Spell Focus, Iron Will
Mystic Theurge prereqs
Skills: Knowledge (arcana) 6 ranks, Knowledge (religion) 6 ranks.
Spells: Able to cast 2nd-level divine spells and 2nd-level arcane spells.

[jeffrie]

There is a feat I saw, that I can't find now. The feat makes all Int skills level +5 for max rank. I wonder if that could be used to enter Ur-Priest early.

I think that feat is an E6 Capstone. 

Oh, I didn't realize what you meant. You mean "From Ravenloft Legacy of the Blood pg 92" is an E6 world?

[wotmaniac]

There is a feat I saw, that I can't find now. The feat makes all Int skills level +5 for max rank. I wonder if that could be used to enter Ur-Priest early.

I think that feat is an E6 Capstone. 

Oh, I didn't realize what you meant. You mean "From Ravenloft Legacy of the Blood pg 92" is an E6 world?

No.  I didn't know that the Ravenloft option existed.  I was talking about a separate and unrelated thing.
Just disregard -- I sometimes speak out of turn.

[Pjacobsen1978]

I dont see how you pass max skill ranks pr. Level in your build...

[jeffrie]

I dont see how you pass max skill ranks pr. Level in your build...

You must have skimmed past the Feat description. Laborious Training lets you treat all Int skills as level +5.

I did find a problem that i don't like though. "Legacy of Blood" is not WOTC. It fooled me, because it is Ravenloft, but apparently it got subcontracted out.