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How do I Kill it?
« on: May 22, 2014, 10:28:46 AM »
Long story short the world my character is in has existed for 5 campaigns and as such old PCs exist. One such character is a LE ex-god epic level fighter, who has a habit of cutting tables (and people) in half to make his point.

He is starting to cause issues (read as take over the continent) and I would like to build a character to kill him. All books are welcome just no magazines or 3rd party material.

The challenge is that he has a belt of anti magic that has a 10 foot radius and his great sword and armour are legacy items and work within the field. I don't know his build but I believe he has a level of barbarian, he is human (as far as I know) and he has command of a large army of fighter/barb mooks.

Any ideas welcome. Cheers.

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2014, 10:53:22 AM »
What level and class is your character? That pretty much dictates what you can do...

As for how to deal with him, Force Cage + Gate to the elemental plane of fire (underneath a pit of lava)?

Force Cage is unaffected by AMF. Unless his weapons can teleport him, he's screwed.
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2014, 11:02:17 AM »
Starting off with the usual... What's your level? Books allowed? Wealth? Are you the DM, a player, or what? What else can you tell us about the situation of your fighter menace, your party etc.? How permanent will dying be to such a powerful character?

The usualy solution, btw, would be to be a 20th level Wizard (or, depending on circumstance, even a lot below that) and choose your preferred method from about a thousand possibilities...


EDIT: Swordsage'd in part. But seriously, can this guy kill a Great Wyrm Celestial Gold Dragon? If not, Gate one in and watch the fireworks.

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2014, 03:02:34 PM »
There are several ways to become immune to hit point damage.  My favorite is Persistent Delay Death + Beastland Ferocity, but I've heard good things about the Half Black Dragon Troll Blooded Human who used that spell to gain the Fire subtype.  Choose your favorite, then mock him as he can't hurt you. 
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 06:22:32 PM »
The initiate of Mystra feat (Player's Guide to Faerun, p81) allows you penetrate antimagic fields with your spells.  You need to make a caster level check against a DC of 11 + the caster level of the antimagic field.  His belt has a caster level of at least 11, but no more than the caster level of whoever crafted it.  You can take the arcane mastery feat (Complete Arcane, p73), allowing you to take 10 on this check, even in combat (see the errata). 

An epic spells can potentially penetrate an antimagic field.  The field makes a dispel check against the spell as a 20th-level caster.  The DC is 11 + the epic spell's caster level.  You'll notice that epic spells penetrate antimagic fields 100% of the time with a caster level of at least 30. 

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 06:32:32 PM »
Would you combine any of that with a Mordenkainen's Disjunction? A good bit of luck and all his toys are turned back into normal equipment.

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2014, 03:32:52 PM »
Make a moon out of quintessence. Drop it on him

Use psionics to time hop the entire planet EXCEPT him. It requires a about 500 human sacrifices and a few hours, but can be done.

Get a few small demi-planes. Smash them into your plane reducing it from a 5 dimensional plane to a 3 dimensional plane. Watch all magic fail. Kill him with a monk.

Use fabricate to make a handful of strange quarks. Watch the entire planet turn into strange matter.

Convince Kezif the chaos hound that guy is still a god.

Lure him into a 2 dimensional prison universe at the bottom of the final plane of Carceri
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2014, 10:50:09 PM »
Kill it with fire.   Rogue Raptoran.  Drop alchemist fire on him from the air.  The same way you kill the antimagic colossi in the ELH.   :P

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2014, 11:43:40 PM »
Get his true name and a sample of his blood. Chances are he's been in enough fights theres a few drops around somewhere you can wish into your possession.

Create a Lich potion just for him.

Polymorph any object and turn it into pie.

Feed him the pie.

Dismiss the polymorph any object.

Watch him turn into a lich without the phylactery

Destroy his corpse when he falls over.

His soul goes off into the far realms never to return.
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2014, 01:09:25 PM »
I've heard good things about the Half Black Dragon Troll Blooded Human who used that spell to gain the Fire subtype.

I've been in a few games where GMs pulled this out.  Unfortunately for them I always have trollbane poison handy for such BS.  I always get a kick out of saying "no, sorry you're not invincible." as I reap the free xp.

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2014, 11:50:55 PM »
Derp derp derp use a swiftblade/
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2014, 03:09:29 AM »
There are several ways to become immune to hit point damage.  My favorite is Persistent Delay Death + Beastland Ferocity, but I've heard good things about the Half Black Dragon Troll Blooded Human who used that spell to gain the Fire subtype.  Choose your favorite, then mock him as he can't hurt you.

Meh you can do that with spells, shapechange (ogre mage), veil of undeath, energy immunity (fire, acid). Shapechange/veil can easy be persisted/extended with rods and energy immunity already lasts 24 hrs. This is my favorite method of damage immunity btw, it also makes you immune to pretty much everything else since veil of undeath gives you a ton of immunities...

I've been in a few games where GMs pulled this out.  Unfortunately for them I always have trollbane poison handy for such BS.  I always get a kick out of saying "no, sorry you're not invincible." as I reap the free xp.

poison for one, so no trollbane poison :P

Sometimes if I can spare the feats I take troll blooded just so I can use shapechange for other forms.

But yeah...any optimized caster wouldn't break a sweat beating this guy. He basically does half the work for you with his stupid belt that he thinks is helping him. I mean...you don't even need to make yourself immune to damage, just shapechange into a chronotryn or use other action economy breaking methods to stay an action ahead of him at all times and he won't even get near you. I'm assuming one of his legacy items gives him the ability to fly and see invisible things because otherwise invisibility and fly will be enough to keep you out of harms way.
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2014, 03:28:43 AM »
Toss shrunken boulders at him.
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2014, 05:24:37 PM »
One, City Magic metamagic feat, There is no defense against City Damage. I don't even know what city damage LOOKS like, but all your damaging spells does half city damage in a city, so get him in a city, use city magic, watch the look on his face.

two, If an AMF is the problem, then wish is your solution!

Get a: SANG KAUW
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Now you have a double weapon with a shield.

Put Animated on the shield part of the weapon.

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So, now you have a double weapon you don't have to hold that also acts as a buckler shield with no ACF penalties so any arcane spell user can wield it without penalty.

Now here's the part you need to stealth past the DM. Ask that the Sang Kauw comes with a ring. Only the person wearing the ring can control the weapon. Remove the ring, the weapon stops working. Why? Because you want to make it that way. Stop people from stealing it. Of course it also makes it possible to lose the ring and be unable to use the weapon, but still.

Justify it by adding the ASA Calling to the weapon. State that if you wear the ring, you can call the shield to you, so you must have the ring. If your DM says, "Fine, but it eats up a ring slot." Agree. Agree to ANYTHING to allow this to work with the weapon.

Now then, get your wish. Wish the following:

"I wish this weapon was attached to me in the same fashion as a Illithid Weapon Graft."

The ring will become permanently grafted to your body and you will take a -2 to your will save. However, here's the important part, the weapon will become an extraordinary ability.

Now then, at this point (or before you graft it, either way) you stack on every ASA and WSA you can possibly think of. You will have a double weapon/buckler shield you can use hands free, it will work in an antimagic field, and you have room to stack all sorts of fun stuff.

For example, you can extrapolate from the Sword of the diplomat to put bracers of armor (+1) into one end of the Sang Kauw for only 2,000 gp. Then you can buy up the bracers to give you +5 EB. Then get Ghost Touch in the Bracers of armor in one end of the Sang Kauw. This will give you +6 to your armor, and +11 to your touch attacks. Then you can buy up your bucker to +5.  AND you also have room for another +4 and ARMOR ONLY special abilities in the Bracers of Armor in the One end of the weapon.

Yes, it gets VERY complicated. It's sort of like a Series of Russian dolls nested one inside the other as you stack the various Weapon, Shield, and Armor special abilities inside one another, but trust me, you can really get it layered THICK and since it's all TECHNICALLY a Illithid Weapon Graft, it works in an antimagic field, so you can call it to yourself anywhere and all those offensive and defenses abilities kick in, and you don't have to worry about his AMF.

Oh, and remember to ONLY get the Sword of the Diplomat at AC 1. If you want your base armor any higher, just get normal armor and wear that instead. Normal armor works just fine in the AMF. You only need that first point of SotD BoA so you can stack on a whole bunch of ASAs and EBs.
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2014, 06:30:21 AM »
Why all the fromage here?  Its a fighter in an antimagic field.  A known problem with a low level solution.   The only possible issue is his weapon and armor may give him some abilities you don't find on a Colossus.  Like flight.  But probably not.
Seriously, unless his two whole magic items give him flight or a host of immunities a character with a decent EX flight and a pile of alchemical items can ruin his day.


Or just be a dick and spam http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magesDisjunction.htm at him.  He'll take losing his cheesy gear far worse than just dying.

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2014, 11:40:03 AM »
Hm, i like how the solution for "Antimagic Field" is -SPAM MOAR MAGIC - use loads of obscure scattered feats and spells to get to him.

Hm, my idea would be: he is a human fighter with super-armor and super-sword in a no-magic zone: Send in the large Grappler.

Seriously: Get him in the hand of a half-giant or Goliath grappler. Does the fighter have the opportunity to use his sword in a grapple (likely no) - he might be super-strong, but juiced, raging war-hulk large grappler will hold him, no sweat.

Ok, now use your wizards and friends and everything to keep his minions away, but the fighter will go sleep-sleep soon.
Hm... does a ravage work in a AMF? - away from books at the moment.

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2014, 04:12:42 PM »
Hm, i like how the solution for "Antimagic Field" is -SPAM MOAR MAGIC - use loads of obscure scattered feats and spells to get to him.
You don't need anything obscure at all. A core only wizard can ruin his day.

Here's an idea that hasn't been mentioned yet: play a wizard and put a Forcecage (barred cage version) around yourself. Then just spam instantaneous creation spells at him until he either dies or flees. Put some Windwalls up around the edges, if he bothers to try and shoot arrows at you.
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2014, 04:20:46 PM »
Hm, i like how the solution for "Antimagic Field" is -SPAM MOAR MAGIC -

"More magic" is the solution to every problem. 

Anyway, a guy who walks around in an antimagic field is clearly trying to force the confrontation to be a physical one.  Who can resist messing with his expectations? 

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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2014, 09:08:03 PM »
Hm, i like how the solution for "Antimagic Field" is -SPAM MOAR MAGIC -

"More magic" is the solution to every problem. 

Anyway, a guy who walks around in an antimagic field is clearly trying to force the confrontation to be a physical one.  Who can resist messing with his expectations? 
The only thing that might be more fun is to beat him at his own game... So maybe use a Cheater of Mystra build. :P
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Re: How do I Kill it?
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2014, 09:41:15 PM »
Is there a difference between Cheater and Twice Betrayer?
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