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« on: June 10, 2014, 03:47:15 PM »
need people to tear this apart for me, so i can make sure i get several world records

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i noticed that Curse of the Brute needs to be replaced by Bite of the Werebear, which would cost a bunch of $
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 11:12:07 PM »
Why is his AC zero? Mis-math?

How does he have -8 size bonus to Str while also being colossal? Also a +8 bonus? I'm confused. Also, you're counting +15 paragon bonus twice, and it looks like you're only applying the template once.
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 11:46:27 PM »
AC 0 because I didn't really care enough about it to do it, w all the rages n stuff.

Paragon is applied to both the were-animal and the Tauric body.

the size bonuses/penalties are due to some sort of size change. They all stack w each other despite being 'same source' this is because the size change stat changes imply they stack (Huge to Colossal = +16 Str not +8, this implies the changes stack)

a lot of the other bonuses dont list their actual bonus type, but they are all different (excluding size + untyped)
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2014, 04:26:27 PM »
I can't figure out how your templates are applied, but per the Alternate Form errata: "A creature cannot use alternate form to take the form of a creature with a template."

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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2014, 04:35:28 PM »
Int 1 isnt able to pursue classes?
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2014, 09:54:43 PM »
i guess thats right.... so not valid due to that errata

Tauric (Were-[Paragon Warbeast Brass Half-Golem/Clay Half-Golem/Dragonflesh Half-Golem/Flesh Half-Golem/Iron Half-Golem/Stained Glass Half-Golem/Half-Golem Stone Sewerm]-[Human])-(Dungeonbred Brass Half-Golem/Clay Half-Golem/Dragonflesh Half-Golem/Flesh Half-Golem/Iron Half-Golem/Stained Glass Half-Golem/Half-Golem Stone Chekryan)

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Were-base
Body

they are applied in order, Paragon after Warbeast after Half-Golems.... etc

mindless can't pursue most prestige classes, since they cannot gain feats or skill points. but they can take any base class that they qualify for.
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2014, 11:08:49 PM »
So, whats the LA on that?

Edit - Also that is going for the highest possible Str right?
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2014, 11:53:56 PM »
LA 3 natural lycanthropy + 2 Tauric = +5

nice finds, an additional option is to get a bunch of no slot +2 Str items, and cas chained item alteration to change all the bonuses to different ones

doesn't bear warrior stack w both frenzy and rage, since it enhances each, not just replaces the ability itself. Would you lose the alternate form bonuses from a were-creature?
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 11:53:23 AM »
LA 3 natural lycanthropy + 2 Tauric = +5
It was a smartass remark, the Tauric Template doesn't have LA, it's example does.  :P

Bear Warrior replaces the bonuses of Rage or Frenzy but alternatives such as Ki Rage would remain intact.  Bear Form also operates as if Polymorph except instead of setting a score to X, it increases as per the specific entry. So while nearly every benefit of your wereform would be lost due to "Polymorphing" your self into a bear, the Str gain should stack.

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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 02:56:28 PM »
Quote from: Savage Species
Level Adjustment: +2 (apply this to the
level adjustment of the base humanoid)

ummm... it does
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2014, 07:48:14 PM »
Quote from: Savage Species
Level Adjustment: +2 (apply this to the
level adjustment of the base humanoid)

ummm... it does
Un-huh.

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Annnnnd back to what I said.
It was a smartass remark, the Tauric Template doesn't have LA, it's example does.  :P
Do you feel like we lost a day like I do?

I had hoped to provoke you to actually think on this matter rather than a rectal cranial inversion. Unlike a lack of rules discussion, lack of a LA entry is indicative the Monster (or creature) is not meant for play. So if you use this and add it to your little collection of values, you are giving way to allowing anyone else to estimate their own LA values and abuse as needed.

Additionally, Savage Species is 3rd Edition. Sure the forum-word is the authors claimed it's close enough to 3.5 to count but that means nothing. Tauric has an official 3.5 Update published five months after Savage Species and you should be using that one. The example is updated to "LA Base humanoid +3" while the Template continues to have no LA entry. So if you open pandora's box, you still have to correct your value anyway.

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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 09:58:54 PM »
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General, overview of the Brilliant Gameologists Boards:
-- Don't be a douche.  Don't piss people off just to piss them off, don't be an immature ass

from now on when you argue/debate with me, you need to not be as aggressive, since that is interpreted by myself as douchbagy. I know of several others that feel the exact same way
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yes, the template itself has no LA line listed, but since an LA is listed in the template's section, it applies.

also, see the nice little table on 214? That also lists the LA of the template as being +2 ( supporting my argument)

yes, the 3.5 errata would supercede Savage Species, despite the errata'd book being older.

so the LA is +3
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2014, 07:41:05 AM »
from now on when you argue/debate with me, you need to not be as aggressive, since that is interpreted by myself as douchbagy. I know of several others that feel the exact same way
I did play nice and sweet to start with and I still am. You interpreted things douchbagy because you should feel absolutely terrible for your mistake. I really had no choice but to draw a shiny neon sign pointing at what you just did if I wanted you to catch it the second time around and it worked so I'm happy.

Anyway, yes the Update altered the LA in the example a couple months after SS was released. A small unknown fact I caught one day looking for it after a Unseeli Fey discussion. The latter of course already kicked off your list for 2nd party.

Also, noticed you added a bunch of Spells and a couple of those I don't have for my list. So *yank* and thanks.
Edit - Don't forget Marruspawn Rage Zyme (SS) if 1 minute buffs count.
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Re: Big Bubba
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2014, 10:30:28 AM »
sorry, previous 'encounters' may have colored my mind about your response.

yeah the Zyme would help.

i'm glad i found some new spells for you. basically, i took my uber list and searched for the word 'Strength' and just filtered bonus types from there.
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