Generic classes, never read them, but now that I have holy chit!

[Emanresu]

The warrior is better than fighter, the expert is, well about same as rogue, but has 2 good saves, the spellcaster hands down freagin awesome! They get bonus feats and can select from both divine and arcane spell list. WOW!

Anybody play this before?

[SolEiji]

Yep.  Given that they're intended as replacements rather than additions to the class system they have to be stronger to be more versatile and fill the fighter/barbarian/rogue/cleric/wizard/etc they replace.

I have sometimes played with the idea of replacing Fighter with the Generic Warrior, but that would just turn it into even more of a dippable class.

[Emanresu]

I guess the flavor would come from prestige class, but the free to pick skills is awesome for a build to fit pc. Talk about under the radar, years Ive played and never looked into...finally a fighter with spot and umd, yeh he cant jump or swim,  but whos swimming in armor anyways.

[Emanresu]

I wonder what tier these classes fall into? Especially the spellcaster, with access to cleric and wizard spells.

[phaedrusxy]

The spellcaster would be by definition tier 2 (sorcerer), as it has a fixed list of spells known, but can pick from the most powerful/broken high level spells.

And as far as flavor... I think in general you're better off coming up with a concept for a character and then picking classes which allow you to realize it, rather than the other way around (although I don't always do this... sometimes I just go crazy with the idea of playing X, and then I tend to build mechanically and add fluff later).

I've never played with these generic classes, but wouldn't mind trying them out.

[Nunkuruji]

There are some edge cases where the generic spellcaster can qualify for PrCs 'better' than other base classes, both due to list access and generic feat options.

[Emanresu]

question, the spell caster be able to qualify for divine and/or arcane classes even if he/she selects arcane casting?
As a side note having a Sorcerer type with int as main casting attribute would/could cut back on mad...not that Sorcerers are really all that mad but this would really focus everything into 1 attribute.

Also if I wanted to play a favored Soul type build utilizing this generic spellcaster, I would be considered divine for purposes of magicals but I could select as many arcane spells as I would want and use my wisdom as casting attribute, right?? if so this really sings to my inner optimizer

3rd and lastly, Ive never had the ability to select spells freely from wiz/sorc & cleric spell list...What would be your must haves from both, lets assume your a 10 level Spell caster with a 22 main attribute, which would be about expected by this level.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

Yes.

Spellcasting
A spellcaster learns and casts spells as a sorcerer. She may select her spells known from the cleric, druid, and sorcerer/wizard spell lists.
A spellcaster must choose at 1st level whether to be an arcane spellcaster or a divine spellcaster. This choice has no impact on the spells that she may learn, but affects what kinds of scrolls she can use and which ability score controls her spellcasting. An arcane spellcaster may designate either Intelligence or Charisma as the ability score that determines the highest-level spell she can learn or cast, and the Difficulty Class of her spell's-saving throws. A divine spellcaster must use Wisdom to determine the highest-level spell she can learn or cast, and the DC of her spell's saving throws.

GWarrior > Fighter, but that's not too hard.
GExpert ... if you work at it, is a better and more flexible base than Rogue or similar.
GCaster is slightly better than Sorc or Favored Soul, but doesn't have the expandable Known spells like Archivist, Erudite StP,  or Wizard.

Since the "bonus feats" can be those >>>average feats equivalents
and can also be Any Feat ... those classes should qualify for PrCs
with fewer contortions.

Human GE 2 / GW 2 / GCa 1 / GCd 1 / GW +X
... would get the most of those "feat" slots.
I am suspicious that some oddball feat based build = roxxors.
But in this case, you're still in Tier 3 territory.

Any Race, GE 2 / GW 2 / GCa 1 / GCd 1 ,
with Heighten tricks into Eldritch Knight 10
is better than any base class level 4 or 5 caster Gish.
Not better than c.o. gish builds, but that's another story.

[Nunkuruji]

question, the spell caster be able to qualify for divine and/or arcane classes even if he/she selects arcane casting?
As a side note having a Sorcerer type with int as main casting attribute would/could cut back on mad...not that Sorcerers are really all that mad but this would really focus everything into 1 attribute.

Also if I wanted to play a favored Soul type build utilizing this generic spellcaster, I would be considered divine for purposes of magicals but I could select as many arcane spells as I would want and use my wisdom as casting attribute, right?? if so this really sings to my inner optimizer

3rd and lastly, Ive never had the ability to select spells freely from wiz/sorc & cleric spell list...What would be your must haves from both, lets assume your a 10 level Spell caster with a 22 main attribute, which would be about expected by this level.

From what I understand,

1. Your class spell list is: cleric, druid, and sorcerer/wizard
2. You select whether your spellcasting is divine, or arcane. As a result, you can only use scrolls/wands of the type you choose, qualify for PrCs of the type you choose, and your spells cast are considered that type.
3. As the Hexer came up recently, as an example, this makes it easy to have lightning bolt as a divine spell for qualification. Choose divine spellcasting, and add lightning bolt as a spell known.
4. Hit up a few handbooks for the 'best' spells. Ultimately depends on your role.

[awaken_D_M_golem]

I don't recall a RAI quote from a designer
about what to do with Psionics or ToB (or Monks).
Clearly there are some concepts that can
NOT fit into an exclusively generic campaign.

[Emanresu]

the generic spell caster to Hexer is exactly what I had in mind

[linklord231]

The thought of a Generic Divine Spellcaster/Prestige Paladin/Knight of the Raven gish has me all tingly.  What, I like gishes, okay?

[Mortadelas]

Beguiler 5 for Glibness.
Generic Warrior with bluff and 8 times Favored Enemy evil outsiders...
+22 ranks
+2 synergy
+15 item
+30 glibness
+16 Favored Enemy
=+70 Bluff before stats or actuall bluff skills.
Find Asmodeus
"The only way for you to live is to jump into this bag of holding"
Get -30 mod cause you sound stupid.
Roll 1d20 plus 40 (at least)
Sell Asmodeus in the black market.
Repeat for all 9 layers and continoue with the abyss.

[Emanresu]

why stop there add on insidious insight and voice of the dragon...oh and that mask that gives +10....make it an even 100 bluff