Author Topic: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.  (Read 9404 times)

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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2014, 02:07:42 PM »
The reason people think you can't hit the same person multiple times with the full-attack channeling, Chill Touch ends after the first attack (or after the full attack at level 13+), and so on is because of the FAQ. 

The justification is pretty flimsy (especially for the 'hitting the same person on a full attack' bit), but that's what it says.  I'd be inclined to say that the FAQ is wrong in most of these cases, with the exception of Chill Touch ending after a full-attack channel. 
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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2014, 02:19:59 PM »
Honestly, I know your Dm probably wouldn't let you but the pathfinder magus works like the duskblade should have. The way its class abilities are worded mean that the ony thing that the duskblade has going for it is a shit ton of spell per day to fuel arcane strike.

Vampiric touch isn't that good on a duskblade either. It actually says thf weapon damage is dealt BEFORE the spell is delivered so you can't TH powerattack with hunters eye active for shit tpns pf temporary hp.

that. was the main reason I ever wanted to use duskblade and I wad heartbroken when I saw that it did not work.
This basically contradicts how this used to work, per Tome and Blood. That book specifically said you could get more THP by using Sneak Attack to bump up your damage.
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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2014, 08:48:17 AM »
This basically contradicts how this used to work, per Tome and Blood. That book specifically said you could get more THP by using Sneak Attack to bump up your damage.

It's a little tricky, but there's no contradiction.  Suppose you have
sword = 1d8
Vampiric Touch = 5d6
Sneak Attack = 3d6

If you ONLY sneak attack with the sword, you get a total damage = 1d8 + 3d6
If you ONLY sneak attack with VT, you get total damage = 8d6 (and you get the corresponding temp hp)
But when you use the duskblade's arcane channeling, you have to apply the SA to the sword.  And first you resolve the sword, then you resolve the VT seperately.  So you get total damage = sword (1d8 + 3d6), then VT (5d6).

Disclaimer: I'm remembering that the SA has to applied to the sword.  I don't remember where that comes from, so it may be possible you get to choose.  Or you could try to be a munchkin and convince the DM it applies to both.

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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2014, 12:39:52 PM »
Duskblade channeling + Crescent Knife, anyone?

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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2014, 04:20:50 PM »
A few things...

The Duskblade's arcane channeling abilty at 13th level specifies the spell is discharged at the end of the round, regardless of the duration of the spell. This also applies to the # of touches allowed by, for example, the "Chill Touch" spell (BTW, i think this is the only spell in the Duskblade's list, to which this rule applies). This also means that the spell is still applicable for AoOs occurring until the end of the round.
Strangelly, and assuming your DM allows you to deliver several touches with a channelled "Chill Touch", this means that if you miss with the first attack (in which you channelled the spell), you can perform a full-attack in the next round, delivering an alloted touch of the spell with each hit. This makes it superior to the 13th level ability, yes, but again, i think this is the only spell to which this applies.

IIRC, the damage from a spell delivered by arcane channelling is considered as a ride-on effect and, as such, "extra damage", so:
- you can't score a critical with a channelled spell
- it's roughly equivalent to SA damage for other purposes

Yes, you can SA with a spell, but only spells that need an attack to deliver can be used for SA. When channelled, the spell becomes a ride-on effect (like the extra fire damage from a flaming weapon), so the SA damage is dealt with the weapon, not the spell.

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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2014, 01:05:17 AM »
Even spells that are "weapon-like" that would normally multiply?
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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2014, 06:14:19 AM »
It's just saying you can't get sneak attack dice multiple times on a single attack - you get them on the physical damage, rather than on the magical, which seems fairly reasonable to me, since you chose to channel your scorching ray rather than cast it.

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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2014, 12:52:36 AM »
Er... Actually you can't channel a Scorching Ray with the Duskblade's ability.

Taking the risk of reopening that can of worms, the Duskblade can only channel "Touch spells" (i.e. spells with "Touch" in the "Range" entry); a spell that requires a "ranged touch attack" isn't the same thing.

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Re: Duskblade Full attack and Arcane Channeling.
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2014, 03:00:40 AM »
Er... Actually you can't channel a Scorching Ray with the Duskblade's ability.

Taking the risk of reopening that can of worms,
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