Author Topic: Optimization Challenge: Dispater and the Iron Siege (Read 75583 times)

Amechra · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2011, 02:12:54 PM »

I am considering putting in a run...

:Monoclesmile.

Tshern · « **Reply #21 on:** November 22, 2011, 02:21:41 PM »

If there is someone else willing to go, I'll make room. That way I can guide TravelLog through his first run.

TravelLog · « **Reply #22 on:** November 22, 2011, 02:46:13 PM »

Quote from: Amechra on November 22, 2011, 02:12:54 PM

I am considering putting in a run...

:Monoclesmile:

Feel free to ask any questions you have if so.

Amechra · « **Reply #23 on:** November 22, 2011, 03:51:22 PM »

What does Iron Curtain mean by "negates all forms of attack"? Would that negate things like casting a Transcend Mortality effect on him, then Dispelling it?

Tshern · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:09:48 PM »

Quote from: Amechra on November 22, 2011, 03:51:22 PM

What does Iron Curtain mean by "negates all forms of attack"? Would that negate things like casting a Transcend Mortality effect on him, then Dispelling it?

I think you mean dismiss the spell. Why bother with dispelling?

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Zonugal · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:23:04 PM »

HEY TSHERN!!!!!

I have lately had an idea of putting together a themed same-game-test for E6 and was wondering if I could get your advice on it. It would basically be somewhat like the Iron Siege but obviously significantly down-sized. The character would effectively be transported to a level of the nine hells and have to fight/survive their way out.

Interested?

Tshern · « **Reply #26 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:31:09 PM »

Quote from: Zonugal on November 22, 2011, 04:23:04 PM

HEY TSHERN!!!!!

I have lately had an idea of putting together a themed same-game-test for E6 and was wondering if I could get your advice on it. It would basically be somewhat like the Iron Siege but obviously significantly down-sized. The character would effectively be transported to a level of the nine hells and have to fight/survive their way out.

Interested?

I doubt I can be of much help at those levels. I am best acquianted with the Dicefreaks version of Nine Hells, although I have a working knowledge of the standard version as well. I suppose it depends on what fluff you are going to use and so forth. Probably would be for the best to do this via PMs if you still want help, instead of clogging this thread.

TravelLog · « **Reply #27 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:48:27 PM »

Quote from: Amechra on November 22, 2011, 03:51:22 PM

What does Iron Curtain mean by "negates all forms of attack"? Would that negate things like casting a Transcend Mortality effect on him, then Dispelling it?

It means that it negates anything that could conceivably cause harm to Dispater, as per his judgement. And yes, Iron Curtain would negate that. It's basically a "No button".

zook1shoe · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:54:09 PM »

Hey, I was working on a deity for Tshern's version. Now that you are taking over TravelLog, i was going to ask you some questions.

I will post them after work

TravelLog · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:01:44 PM »

Quote from: zook1shoe on November 22, 2011, 04:54:09 PM

Hey, I was working on a deity for Tshern's version. Now that you are taking over TravelLog, i was going to ask you some questions.

I will post them after work

Sounds good. Looking forward to what you come up with.

zook1shoe · « **Reply #30 on:** November 22, 2011, 05:06:16 PM »

The current idea is called "The Windsock of Doom"

Tshern · « **Reply #31 on:** November 22, 2011, 06:42:45 PM »

After a quick look at my PM box at BG, some of the things asked where Nar Demonbinder, Power word: Deafen and Streamers.

TravelLog · « **Reply #32 on:** November 22, 2011, 07:26:51 PM »

Quote from: Tshern on November 22, 2011, 06:42:45 PM

After a quick look at my PM box at BG, some of the things asked where Nar Demonbinder, Power word: Deafen and Streamers.

Power Word: Deafen
--Allowed.

Nar Demonbinder:
--Not Allowed for now. If someone gives an explanation of intended usage within their build, then we'll talk. This thing is a part of some really potent, sometimes broken, tricks. Convince me otherwise if you can. Otherwise, no dice.

Iron Sign: It's made of iron. No matter what the ability says, Dispater doesn't have to come calling (with no save by the way!) when the focus is made of iron. It obeys him, rather than the summoner.
Brazen Sign: Again. Made of IRON.
Silver Sign: This is just beyond broken. RAW, it can call any outsider, as the others, with no save or way of avoiding being called at all. Ever. It prevents all of a creature's ability and powers from leaving 5 feet of the circle. All for 5,000 gp. Super broken.

Streamers:
-Allowed.

zook1shoe · « **Reply #33 on:** November 23, 2011, 12:55:17 AM »

Anauroch- Sharn
Champions of Valor- Knight of the Weave (for arcane caster level purposes)
Lost Empires of Faerûn- Phaerimm
Magic of Faerûn- Mystic Wanderer
Monsters of Faerûn- Sharn
Oriental Adventures- (not sure yet)
Savage Species- Templates (tauric or symbiotic)
Tome of Magic- Truespeak
Unapproachable East- Nar Demonbinder (for arcane caster level purposes) *tharzidun my reason*

Web Enhancements- Swiftblade

What about other licensed products?

TravelLog · « **Reply #34 on:** November 23, 2011, 01:15:06 AM »

Quote from: zook1shoe on November 23, 2011, 12:55:17 AM

Anauroch- Sharn
Champions of Valor- Knight of the Weave (for arcane caster level purposes)
Lost Empires of Faerûn- Phaerimm
Magic of Faerûn- Mystic Wanderer
Monsters of Faerûn- Sharn
Oriental Adventures- (not sure yet)
Savage Species- Templates (tauric or symbiotic)
Tome of Magic- Truespeak
Unapproachable East- Nar Demonbinder (for arcane caster level purposes) *tharzidun my reason*
Web Enhancements- Swiftblade

What about other licensed products?

Anauroch: Don't have this book, but I know enough about Sharns to know they eat the action economy for breakfast. No. (They wouldn't be usable with Knight of the Weave and Nar Demonbinder anyway, as they were updated Player's Guide to Faerun to no longer have spell levels).

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Change spellcasting levels to spells, but the function is the same: A sharn casts spells as a 7th-level sorcerer and a 5th-level cleric. (page 197)

Champions of Valor: When paired with Nar Demonbinder? And a Phaerimm? I don't think so. I don't have Lost Empires of Faerun, but I've seen the Arcane Dilettante threads, so I know where you're going. Don't try it.
Lost Empires of Faerun: Don't have this book. See also: Anauroch.
Magic of Faerun: You want it for that Gem Magic don't you? I'll think about it and read up on it, then get back to you.
Monsters of Faerun: Don't have it. See also: Anauroch, Lost Empires of Faerun.
Oriental Adventures: Before you suggest anything, I'm hesitant largely because it is meant for Rokugan. Still, propose what you want specifically and we'll see.
Savage Species: I'll get back to you.
Tome of Magic: Go for it.
Unapproachable East: Read the post right before yours for my Nar Demonbinder ruling. Also, there is no way I am letting you use Knight of Weave, Nar Demonbinder and Phaerimm. See my earlier answer.
Swiftblade: Go for it.

Other licensed products: provide specifics for what you want, then we'll talk. Things are considered on a case by case basis.

One last thing, I mentioned I don't want to see broken, nigh-infinite, uber-cheese builds. This is an example of trying to get something past me that is less than on the up-and-up.

zook1shoe · « **Reply #35 on:** November 23, 2011, 01:58:09 AM »

Thanks

Mystic Wanderer more for the acf for the familiar and minor ac bonus

What about phaerimm w/o knight or nar?

TravelLog · « **Reply #36 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:01:21 AM »

Quote from: zook1shoe on November 23, 2011, 01:58:09 AM

Thanks

Mystic Wanderer more for the acf for the familiar and minor ac bonus

What about phaerimm w/o knight or nar?

Mystic Wanderer: Give me a day or so and I'll make a decision.
Phaerimm: Still no. Sorry, but it's simply too broken with it's ability to destroy the action economy.

zook1shoe · « **Reply #37 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:37:22 AM »

Quote from: TravelLog on November 23, 2011, 02:01:21 AM

Quote from: zook1shoe on November 23, 2011, 01:58:09 AM
Thanks

Mystic Wanderer more for the acf for the familiar and minor ac bonus

What about phaerimm w/o knight or nar?

Mystic Wanderer: Give me a day or so and I'll make a decision.
Phaerimm: Still no. Sorry, but it's simply too broken with it's ability to destroy the action economy.

Mystic Wanderer- ok (only 2 levels at the most)
Phaerimm- i've never seen that.... that's always been the Sharn.
the spellcasting of the Phaerimm and its windsock look are what i "need" :-p
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here's some more books with ideas

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books only (no specific ideas yet)

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TravelLog · « **Reply #38 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:46:32 AM »

Ah. My mistake. I misread and thought you meant Sharn. Let me think about it. I'll get back to you soon.

I'll go through the other stuff in the next day or two. Right off the bat though:
Mystic Wanderer: For two levels only? Tentatively approved then, though subject to change as I look into the matter further.
Planar Shepard: Hell no. You shouldn't ask for things like this.
Dragonlance: Don't have it. So no.
Dragonmarked: Don't have it.
Secrets of Sarlona: Don't have it.
Ghostwalk: Don't have it.
Dragon Magazine: Don't have them. In general, no Dragon Magazine stuff unless there's a hugely good reason and it's been playtested and found to be balanced.
LA Buyoff: At this high a level? No.
Flaws: No. They are nowhere near balanced.
Archivist/Dread Witch: Yes. For archivist though, be reasonable with spells known. If you abuse their abilities to learn spells, you'll get hit with the banhammer.
Taint: No.
Incantatrix: See Planar Shepard. Stop asking for these kind of things. This is a warning.

For the stuff I don't have, it's an automatic no unless you can provide me links.

I'll get back to you on the other stuff. Can you add an addenda to your post with only the remaining unaddressed points for easy reference for me?

zook1shoe · « **Reply #39 on:** November 23, 2011, 03:19:41 AM »

Quote from: zook1shoe on November 23, 2011, 02:37:22 AM

here's some more books with ideas
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Fiendish Codex I-
Shun/Embrace the Dark Chaos
Lilitu
Dungeonscape-
Invisible Spell
Tome of Magic-
Fiendbinder
Unearthed Arcana-
Prestige Bard
Player's Guide to Faerun-
Shadow Weave Magic feat
Runecaster
Incantatrix
Ghostwalk-
Ghost template
Flesh of Orcus item
Monster Manual 2-
Tauric template
Book of Exalted Deeds-
Starmantle

books only (no specific ideas yet)
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Complete books ?
Race books ?
Epic Level Handbook ?
Libris Mortis ?
Lords of Madness ?
Spell Compendium ?
Frostburn ?
Sandstorm ?
Stormwrack ?
Book of Vile Darkness ?
Manual of the Planes ?
Magic Item Compendium

Rokugan books ?
Kingdom of Kalamar books ?

just curious because some of those others were already allowed by Tshern.... but if you don't what to, that's fine too

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Author Topic: Optimization Challenge: Dispater and the Iron Siege (Read 75583 times)