Looking for a Homebrew prC

[faeryn]

Ok, first off I'm not 100% certain if I am posting in the right location here... if it's in the wrong location could I get it moved to the right location?

So anyway... I was subtly directed here when asking about combining Arcane & Divine CL in the Ask A Question board... so... here's what I'm looking for...

The Yathrinshee is the closest thing to what I'm looking for but it's focus on necromancy makes it entirely unusable for what I'm looking for.

What I'd like would be a homebrew using the Yathrinshee as a template that will grant me Progression in Arcane & Divine spellcasting (Partial or Full), Some ability to stack Arcane & Divine CL, Grant access to Turn/Rebuke, & grant some other flavor of ability that would be useful to a Spellthief/Archivist/Wizard.

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My current build in a campaign up to Lv40:
Spellthief:2/Wizard:1/Archivist:3/Rogue:1/Bladesinger:6/Mystic Theurge:10/Arcane Trickster:10/Epic mystic Theurge:7

Lore ACF on Archivist
Illusionist Wizard

I'd like to replace my Mystic Theurge levels with this prC if at all possible...

I was told there were some talented homebrewers here and that perhaps one of them could help out with this.

[SolEiji]

*Cracks neck* Eiji Hyrule is on the case.

Now then, the ability to stack casting classes CL might end in shenanigans if both classes are leveled equally.  Is the goal a high CL, or high casting level aka Mystic Theurge style?  Because those are two different goals.

I can work on things from there.

[SolEiji]

Actually I just read the other thread you made about this, you want your divine CL to at least match your arcane.  Simple enough, may I interest you in a plate of Mystic Demiurge?  It's designed to launch off Mystic Theurge and retain power at the levels you obtain.  Specifically though, this:

Combined Caster Level: At 5th level a mystic demiurge no longer worries about needing to focus on advancing both spellcasting types to maintain his power. He may use the caster level of whichever spellcasting class is highest for both forms of spellcasting.

[faeryn]

Actually I just read the other thread you made about this, you want your divine CL to at least match your arcane.  Simple enough, may I interest you in a plate of Mystic Demiurge?  It's designed to launch off Mystic Theurge and retain power at the levels you obtain.  Specifically though, this:

Combined Caster Level: At 5th level a mystic demiurge no longer worries about needing to focus on advancing both spellcasting types to maintain his power. He may use the caster level of whichever spellcasting class is highest for both forms of spellcasting.

That might work... I'll have to run it by my DM... granted I'd have to run any homebrew class by him... I'll still have to work in some method of gaining Turn/Rebuke for DMM though... a Level of Sacred Exorcist should cover that though...

Lets see... Mystic Demiurge:7... would effectively replace all 7 levels of Epic Mystic Theurge... Sets my Divine CL =  Arcane CL... Increases my Lore ability from +25 to +62... Gives me access to all bonuses from Dark Knowledge... +2 on multiple Knowledge Checks... would improve my familiar if it wasn't already House Ruled to scale with HD rather than Wizard/Sorcerer Level... and merges my Spells per day...

That's actually above and beyond what I was expecting...

The Combined Spell Slots feature has me wondering about something though... Would a Ring of Wizardry double ALL spellslots of the specified level (bonus slots excluded) or still just those granted as a Wizard?

Also... some shenanigans could be had with this feature:

Combined Features: A mystic theurge is capable of advancing more than merely spells per day. At 1st level a mystic demiurge can use the caster level of his arcane and divine classes to determine class level based effects which scale with level up to their HD, such as the wizard's familiar or a cleric's turning level. It does not grant any other abilities not yet gained... a druid does not gain wildshape if he does not possess it first, nor any new animal shapes (though wildshape attempts per day increase), nor does a wizard gain bonus feats.

It doesn't appear to limit itself to abilities granted by spellcasting classes nor to classes that were advanced by Mystic Demiurge... so... theoretically I could use the feature to gain SA dice = to a 40th Lv Spellthief & a 40th Lv Rogue... and even if it is limited to spellcasting classes... I could still add more SA dice through Spellthief & possibly even Arcane Trickster...

This is seeming more and more like a perfect class for my build... a little to perfect... somehow I get the feeling my DM will shoot it down instantly... then again if I don't add it till Epic levels then he might be more open to it...

[SolEiji]

I imagine a Ring of Wizardry would still only double one or the other (interesting find though, I didn't cover it clearly) just because you do still have wizard slots and cleric slots, you can just use them for the same thing for your spells. 

As for the scaling thing, that can be an easy wording fix.  It's only to whatever class your advancing (that is, it would have to be a spellcasting one) but as worded, I could see how one might justify it applying to any class.  I'll fix that right now.

Knock on wood, hope it works.  Yeah, I made that ages ago during a quest to tweak late game classes and PrCs which fell behind, like the mysterious lack of what to do for late game theurges.

[faeryn]

Closing up those easily exploitable holes would certainly make getting the class OK'd by my DM a lot easier.

I just noticed the part about Druid's Wild Shape in the example regarding extra animal shapes... it made me wonder if I actually would gain the additional bonus types from Dark Knowledge or not... I figure I'd still gain an increase to the Lore ability at the very least though... but having that extra versatility from Dark Knowledge rather than being limited to the first option of Tactics (+1-3 Attack for 1minute) would be nice...

Despite how much I'd love to get all those extra sneak attack dice from Rogue & Spellthief... it's probably better this way... I mean getting my Divine CL up already grants me more SA dice through use of Hunter's Eye anyway... gaining 40 class levels worth of SA dice from Rogue &/or Spellthief would just be overkill.

[SolEiji]

I don't have HoH out in front of me, but if memory serves you'd be able to get the higher bonuses like +3 attack or +2 saves as you get stronger, but not new things such as the ability to apply it to AC or whatever else it was.  Mostly because those are listed as separate things on the table.  So I think you might just be limited to Tactics for that.

The only way I can see it legally being done if it was Assassin/Another class.  Since assassin is an arcane class that also has sneak attack.

(EDIT: Oh, and loopholes should be sealed now.)

[faeryn]

Can always use online sources when you don't have the books in front of you... http://dndtools.eu/classes/archivist/

The bonus doesn't scale with level, just the options of what it can be applied to... the bonus is based off the result of a Knowledge check...

Assassin isn't the only arcane class that has sneak attack... spellthief... raise spellthief to 5th level and it gains spellcasting... either way though the class should work for what I need. The only thing left is to grab a source of Turn/Rebuke for DMM and then I'll be set... assuming my DM allows the class that is.


BTW... you may want to change a little error in your Combined Features ability still... namely this:

Combined Features: A mystic theurge is capable of advancing...

Talked with my DM today and he approved use of Mystic Demiurge