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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #300 on: November 10, 2014, 10:09:01 AM »
But we can't be undying androids yet. :P

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #301 on: November 10, 2014, 10:18:20 AM »
But we can't be undying androids yet. :P
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #302 on: November 10, 2014, 11:12:57 AM »
On an entirely different note... the gender symbols for GitP bug me.

I mean, you have male, female, female-to-male, male-to-female, intersex, and unstated.

Wouldn't someone whose female-to-male just put male, and male-to-female just put female? I mean, given that you can essentially look like whatever you want, wouldn't throwing on a reminder of the hateful nature of your fleshy shell as part of your profile just be... weird?

Never quite got the rationale for that.

Fleshy shells are important, though. You need them to enjoy food. And type.

Clarification please, do you not get the rationale for identifying in these things as your gender or the rationale for having to pick MtF/FtM/whatever?

And for you, you're female, right?  born assigned male, but you're female, so do you click "female" or "MtF" on those?

Personally, I'm with amechra.  I don't understand why people who identify as female or male or whatever choose something that's not who they are.  It just doesn't make sense as to why you would identify as something you aren't, especially in a semi-anonymous place like the interwebs.  in real life I get it because, well, the world is horrible some times, but still.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #303 on: November 10, 2014, 11:15:55 AM »
On an entirely different note... the gender symbols for GitP bug me.

I mean, you have male, female, female-to-male, male-to-female, intersex, and unstated.

Wouldn't someone whose female-to-male just put male, and male-to-female just put female? I mean, given that you can essentially look like whatever you want, wouldn't throwing on a reminder of the hateful nature of your fleshy shell as part of your profile just be... weird?

Never quite got the rationale for that.

Fleshy shells are important, though. You need them to enjoy food. And type.

Clarification please, do you not get the rationale for identifying in these things as your gender or the rationale for having to pick MtF/FtM/whatever?

I don't get why you'd want those as selectable options. They don't really serve a useful purpose.

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And for you, you're female, right?  born assigned male, but you're female, so do you click "female" or "MtF" on those?

Go on, take a guess. >.>

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #304 on: November 10, 2014, 11:16:39 AM »
okay, taht's what I thought you were saying.  Also note my edit, you responded FAST.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #305 on: November 10, 2014, 12:45:31 PM »
GRR!  I had the window just the way I wanted and then the internet pooped out on me (stupid basement...) so I had to readjust the window so all the right subforums are exactly how I want them and GRR!  (thankfully I have the spacing above the header exactly how I want it.  And yes, this is the smallest of small rants.)
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #306 on: November 10, 2014, 01:08:25 PM »
On an entirely different note... the gender symbols for GitP bug me.

I mean, you have male, female, female-to-male, male-to-female, intersex, and unstated.

Wouldn't someone whose female-to-male just put male, and male-to-female just put female? I mean, given that you can essentially look like whatever you want, wouldn't throwing on a reminder of the hateful nature of your fleshy shell as part of your profile just be... weird?

Maybe this will help explain why people care : http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4833 along with providing some very funny and interesting reading

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #307 on: November 10, 2014, 03:20:42 PM »
My grandfather, who we'd all thought died a penniless drunk, has some unclaimed funds according to my creepy pedophile uncle.  He needs my address and my sisters to file to put it into an estate.  Grandpa died 8 or more years ago.  Not sure how he's just found this now, and seems awful coincidental given the other inheritance thingy that's popped up. 

Granted it may be my uncles past of psychotic rages, arrests, and participation in various get rich quick schemes that has me paranoid.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #308 on: November 10, 2014, 03:40:11 PM »
He sounds like a helluva guy.  :lmao
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #309 on: November 10, 2014, 04:10:41 PM »
On an entirely different note... the gender symbols for GitP bug me.

I mean, you have male, female, female-to-male, male-to-female, intersex, and unstated.

Wouldn't someone whose female-to-male just put male, and male-to-female just put female? I mean, given that you can essentially look like whatever you want, wouldn't throwing on a reminder of the hateful nature of your fleshy shell as part of your profile just be... weird?

Maybe this will help explain why people care : http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4833 along with providing some very funny and interesting reading

I guess I'm just bugged by the fact that agender isn't an option.

For those of us who don't really care which gender we are.

(I am also miffed by the fact that I have a body. I want that on record.)

@bhu: If you do decide to give your crazy pedo uncle your address, keep the shotgun under your pillow.

That said, I suggest you don't do it.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #310 on: November 10, 2014, 04:44:50 PM »
My grandfather, who we'd all thought died a penniless drunk, has some unclaimed funds according to my creepy pedophile uncle.  He needs my address and my sisters to file to put it into an estate.  Grandpa died 8 or more years ago.  Not sure how he's just found this now, and seems awful coincidental given the other inheritance thingy that's popped up. 

Granted it may be my uncles past of psychotic rages, arrests, and participation in various get rich quick schemes that has me paranoid.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #311 on: November 10, 2014, 05:07:43 PM »
On an entirely different note... the gender symbols for GitP bug me.

I mean, you have male, female, female-to-male, male-to-female, intersex, and unstated.

Wouldn't someone whose female-to-male just put male, and male-to-female just put female? I mean, given that you can essentially look like whatever you want, wouldn't throwing on a reminder of the hateful nature of your fleshy shell as part of your profile just be... weird?

Maybe this will help explain why people care : http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4833 along with providing some very funny and interesting reading

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #312 on: November 10, 2014, 05:47:50 PM »

@bhu: If you do decide to give your crazy pedo uncle your address, keep the shotgun under your pillow.

That said, I suggest you don't do it.

He already kind of knew it.  He left a note on my door with his number saying 'call me'.  Probably to figure out if he had the right address.  I called to make sure he wasn't going to try to screw the other thing up.  At least he's no longer in "get pissed and randomly assault someone" mode.  He finally grew out of that after prison

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #313 on: November 11, 2014, 07:48:08 AM »

@bhu: If you do decide to give your crazy pedo uncle your address, keep the shotgun under your pillow.

That said, I suggest you don't do it.

He already kind of knew it.  He left a note on my door with his number saying 'call me'.  Probably to figure out if he had the right address.  I called to make sure he wasn't going to try to screw the other thing up.  At least he's no longer in "get pissed and randomly assault someone" mode.  He finally grew out of that after prison

Prison rape will do that to a guy.

Also, @RD: I also hate invented pronouns like the plague. Possibly more, since the plague serves a purpose, whereas invented pronouns just make hypocritical douchebags feel good about themselves.
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #314 on: November 11, 2014, 10:39:32 AM »
I feel like it would be amusing to insist that the only pronouns I will accept regarding myself are you, yourself, your, and yours.

If anyone complains, I would get into a snit about how they are being close-minded.

You would then insist on referring to yourself in the second person. Just to confuse everyone.

(Either that or insist that everyone refer to me in the first person. Or insist that everyone refers to me by full name, including saint's name and surnames going back 2 generations - no pronouns or abbreviations allowed.)
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #315 on: November 11, 2014, 10:51:43 AM »
I feel like it would be amusing to insist that the only pronouns I will accept regarding myself are you, yourself, your, and yours.

If anyone complains, I would get into a snit about how they are being close-minded.

You would then insist on referring to yourself in the second person. Just to confuse everyone.

(Either that or insist that everyone refer to me in the first person. Or insist that everyone refers to me by full name, including saint's name and surnames going back 2 generations - no pronouns or abbreviations allowed.)
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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #316 on: November 11, 2014, 11:13:53 AM »
why do oyu think i went for the joke? Back when that whole mess started i had the avatar i have here,so i put otterself and for gender i put otter lol

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #317 on: November 11, 2014, 12:05:39 PM »
Most people I actually know are content with 'he', 'she', 'they', or 'it' and varying forms thereof, but I imagine somefolk went through trying out invented neuter genders before settling on those the same way I tried to learn several constructed languages before realizing how few people I'd actually be able to speak them with.

... I am aware of someone for whom 'robot' would be a valid expression of some states of genderfluidity (not otherkin, just somehow best way found to express gender settings), and seeing the people trying to be inclusive and not trolling dismiss that as only possibly a joke entry was a mite disquieting.

Joke entries are great, particularly for those of us who don't feel comfortable sharing things like location or gender, and I do like the idea of a blank entry field. Can wind up with joke Identity: Otter, furry Identity: Otter, evasive Identity: Otter, or whatever. Between demicisexual friends who'd rather not be perceived as their genders online, genderflexible friends who'd rather present as whatever gender perceived as, and uncertainly trans friends who might not be entirely comfortable completely distancing from assigned-at-birth gender, joke entries can play a really useful role in terms of being able to safely express or not express gender while diffusing it with humor.

That said, there's a difference between claiming something silly as your identity, and trolling by insisting on pronouns you don't actually want and your disguise being imperfect enough for the trolling to be perceived. One's in good humor, the other's parody, and being hurt by being parodied is ... well, it's what happens. Someone who expresses their gender as 'robot' is likely going to appreciate they can do that more than worry that other people will do it in a silly fashion, but someone who has decided xe can't use 'it' or singular 'they' (due to the associations with 'it' and not getting confused with reasons of plurality for 'they', perhaps) would be entirely justified in being hurt by a parody of invented pronouns, even if xierself bothered by the proliferation. (Which considering I kind of made up the forms of that I might have just contributed to.)

Kind of similarly to how it's reasonable to bother me by parodying someone who claims to have Asperger's Syndrome (now Autism Spectrum Disorder) as being self-diagnosed until proven otherwise. It's like ... no, damn it, I got that diagnosis from a psychiatrist, and it isn't perfectly accurate, but enough parts aligned to be relevant and the diagnosis helped with my life in terms of legally forcing people to be a bit more patient with how my mind's different.

I might be frustrated with people who self-diagnose, too, but considering I didn't get that diagnosis until later in my teens myself, I have sympathy for folk who are going through 'what the fuck is even wrong with me maybe it's this' and can't get it figured out by an actual psychiatrist for whatever reason. I've been through that, tests clearly showing something's wrong, just not what.

Or, heck, bisexual erasure, or 'there are no women on the internet', or anything else that directly subverts what I know to be true. I can think of plenty of situations where my own identity has been marginalized, dismissed, or mocked; considering things like the higher suicide rate of bisexual folk than straight or gay ... treating someone else's experiences with respect rather than those things might be gravely important, even if I do not understand what's going on.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #318 on: November 11, 2014, 12:29:44 PM »
I hate the pronouns because they have no etymological basis, plus they sound out of place.

I wouldn't care if people actually made some that are bearable.

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Re: The Small Rants Thread IX: Leaping into the Well of Darkness
« Reply #319 on: November 11, 2014, 12:33:14 PM »
I am quite a strong proponent of the singular 'they' for basically that reason. Also because saying 'he/she' is incredibly awkward even if it weren't exclusionary.