Interest Check-Blood Crusade against Thoon (3.X, high level, Evil)

[SorO_Lost]

I'm rubber you're glue, everything you say bounces off my fat and sticks to you."

I'm not really that familiar with Dvati through, I just know everyone says they are broken. Kind of par for Dragon Mag through...

[Rekmond]

So, just what is everyone looking to play anyways? I'm sure some of you may have deviated from your posted ideas, so what've ya got?

[Raineh Daze]

Youkai Magician. Might deviate from Doll Judgement to Love-Coloured Magic; looks like melee is plentiful. Maginuking? A bit less.

[Frogman55]

Anyone know any good feats/options for a non-ghost incorporeal character?

The only feats I'm really set on so far are Force of Personality, Empower Ability Damage and Ghostly Grasp. I'm considering Positive Energy Resistance and Ethereal Sidestep too, but I don't know.

I've got 7 feats to play with, and I'm only certain on three.

Lifesense is tempting too, but I may end up dipping Mindbender and getting Mindsight instead.

And there's always the old standbys - improved initiative, shadow magic, maybe even Trickery devotion. I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts.

[SorO_Lost]

Life Sense is actually better in most cases. Because living creatures shed 60ft of light turning them into miniature beacons that can be sen from much further away than 100ft. You can see the changes in light around corners which is helpful in tunnels and buildings too, basiccly the range is just plain longer. It's weakness is it doesn't see Undead and Constructs, however Mindsight doesn't see (most) Constructs, Oozes and unintelligent undead either. So the obvious choice through is just to grab both.

You should have two Flaws so 9 Feats instead of 7 and your exact Feat choice will be based on what you are building, like Imperious Command would be great if you plan on Demoralizing people, Martial Study if you need great filler, and so on.

[ksbsnowowl]

I'm going with an Abishai 8/Bard 2/Ur-Priest 3/Keeper of the Cerulean Sign 7.  Basically a fiend Ur-Priest specialized against aberrations.

Knowledge Devotion to pick up Kn (Dungeoneering) as a class skill helped a lot, but I still have to burn more skill points than I'd like meeting cross-class skill prerequisites.  I don't even have the skills to spare to pick up enough Perform ranks to use Inspire Courage.  Maybe if I can afford to buy an Intelligence of 12...

I also need to think about a flaw or two... Skill Knowledge would help a little bit...

I guess I've got a question of how oslecamo's monster classes work...  Do you have to finish the monster class before you can multiclass into other classes, just like with the WotC monster progressions?  I'm assuming so, but the Abishai one is odd, in that you change abishai types (white, black, green, blue, red) as you progress through the class.  I know I have to start as an Abishai, but can I leave, then come back?

Ah, I found the answer; it appears I can:

Do I need to take all the levels or can I just take what I want and then go to other class?
Just like a normal class, you can leave a monster class at any level up and then even come back later if you wish. You aren't suposed to mix diferent monster classes togheter however. Do it at your own risk. I created a couple feats here that allow you to multiclass between monster classes.

That will allow me to start with one level of Abishai, take a flaw to move one of my other feats forward, then take Bard 1 at 2nd level, and take Skill Knowledge at 3rd level, and put my Abishai skill points to much better use.  Now to choose a flaw...

[phaedrusxy]

Educated/Cosmopolitan feats make all knowledge skills count as class skills, always.

[Frogman55]

Life Sense is actually better in most cases. Because living creatures shed 60ft of light turning them into miniature beacons that can be sen from much further away than 100ft. You can see the changes in light around corners which is helpful in tunnels and buildings too, basiccly the range is just plain longer. It's weakness is it doesn't see Undead and Constructs, however Mindsight doesn't see (most) Constructs, Oozes and unintelligent undead either. So the obvious choice through is just to grab both.

You should have two Flaws so 9 Feats instead of 7 and your exact Feat choice will be based on what you are building, like Imperious Command would be great if you plan on Demoralizing people, Martial Study if you need great filler, and so on.

Both, that's a thought. It's hard to think about choosing flaws when you can't even come up with 7 feats that you're happy with.

I may just take improved turn resistance over and over. Get to a point where any cleric capable of turning me is a high enough level that I'm screwed anyways.

[ksbsnowowl]

Educated/Cosmopolitan feats make all knowledge skills count as class skills, always.

In the end, I think Skill Knowledge combined with Knowledge Devotion will be better for me.  I want Knowledge Devotion anyways (which gets me Kn (Religion)), and Skill Knowledge can get me Kn (Dungeoneering) and Spellcraft.  Otherwise, I'd still have to blow a lot of cross-class skill points on Spellcraft.

As I've worked things out now, the only cross-class skill point spent is at 20th level to get my third rank in Perform (Oratory), so that I can actually use Inspire Courage...  And I only had to take one Flaw to make it all work.

Now, to get a metamagic feat to actually make Divine Metamagic useful... I'll have to take a second flaw.  I may scrap Divine Metamagic (eh), or just have to eat another flaw (ick).  Haven't made up my mind yet.  If I only had space for one metamagic feat to use with Divine Metamagic, what do you think?  Empower Spell?  Extend?

[phaedrusxy]

IMO Extend isn't worth it, nor really is Empower. I'd go for something like Chain (for chained buffs and Greater Dispels, etc). Chain is especially nice if you pair it with a MM Rod of Reach to use it on touch spells. For Extend, just buy the (Greater) MM Rod. It's (relatively) cheap.

[SorO_Lost]

If I only had space for one metamagic feat to use with Divine Metamagic, what do you think?  Empower Spell?  Extend?

DMM(persist) is always a staple and well rounded. Twin/Repeat are great for Save-based spells, Empower & +1/die for blasting.

[ksbsnowowl]

If I only had space for one metamagic feat to use with Divine Metamagic, what do you think?  Empower Spell?  Extend?

DMM(persist) is always a staple and well rounded. Twin/Repeat are great for Save-based spells, Empower & +1/die for blasting.

Sadly, Persist would require getting Extend first.  I simply don't have the feat slots for it, unless I wanted to forgo practiced spellcaster... but going up against Aberrations, many of who will likely have SR (Thoon = Mindflayers), the Caster Level is perhaps more important...

I do like the idea of Chain Spell, though.  Chained targeted Dispels are pretty nice.

[VennDygrem]

I don't think we'll have problems hitting a large mob with targeted Dispels though, since I can use that at-will, can channel it through my attacks, and can attack all enemies in a 100-foot cone (by spending one of my potential points). Still, can't hurt to have more than one person capable of doing similar things! Plus, of course, you can apply Chain to other spells. My utility pretty much runs out with that trick. 

[SorO_Lost]

I do like the idea of Chain Spell, though.  Chained targeted Dispels are pretty nice.

Instead of Chained Greater Dispel (9th, +20 cap) just use Chain Dispel (8th, +25 cap) out of the PHBII. I don't know what to offer Feat wise through, do you know what kind of caster you'll be?

[phaedrusxy]

I don't think we'll have problems hitting a large mob with targeted Dispels though, since I can use that at-will, can channel it through my attacks, and can attack all enemies in a 100-foot cone (by spending one of my potential points). Still, can't hurt to have more than one person capable of doing similar things! Plus, of course, you can apply Chain to other spells. My utility pretty much runs out with that trick. 

Wow... what the heck are you playing again?

[VennDygrem]

That's all Paragon stuff. That's not even taking into account my jovoc abilities. I'm actually kind of concerned that my AC could get a bit too high and thus not trigger the aura of retribution, though it's definitely good for the cases where I get targeted from outside its range. Trying to find a middle ground. Of course, if we're going up against things that are a threat for optimized level 20 characters, no AC can be too high I think.

[SorO_Lost]

Wow... what the heck are you playing again?

The general role call as I know it.

Jackinthegreen
Robot T-Rex that shoots lasers?
Raaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwr! *chomp* pew-pew-pew.

Frogman55
An Allip
Hello, I'm new here what is Ol's improve... Holy crap. Dude I'm in!

TC X0 Lt 0X
Living Spell 20
The slime girl that'll make you tired.

phaedrusxy
All over the place like an excited kid in Toys R Us.
Oh looky at that. And that! *drools*

Nanshork
"I'm contemplating a Wild Hunt build"
...As one of my four picks.

ketaro
Pyroclastic Dragon 18/Thoon Soldier 2
I'm a turn coat, or maybe I'm a double agent? No one will ever know

Raineh Daze
Tiefling 1/Youkai Magician 19
RD loves kitties? What's a Youkai?

VennDygrem
Jovoc 5/Paragon 15
Everything you do provokes an AoO from him.

ksbsnowowl
Abishai 8/Bard 2/Ur-Priest 3/Keeper of the Cerulean Sign 7
No known flavor at this time, just a specialist at murdering mind flayers

SorO
Hellbred Rogue 1 / Shadow-Creature 1 / Shade 3 / Half-Fiend 3 / Dread Commando 5 / Uncanny Trickster(dread) 3 / Telflammar Shadowlord 4
A stealthy assassin bound by his 1,001 year long pact to kill those who have signed their souls away for early collection.
Spoken with a grain of salt. I might drop Dread for Swordsaging up some Forbidden Disciplines and more Shadow teleportation per round.

[VennDygrem]

Oh yeah, that reminds me, now I have to find some way to fit Combat Reflexes into my build to take advantage of my 20-ft reach... That way I can AoO and reflect attacks back on enemies in range...

If only I had a couple more feat slots I could also try to shoehorn in Robilar's Gambit.

Also, to be fair, my character is more about provoking AoO's from enemies than from getting them himself.  Not that he'll pass them up!

[FireInTheSky]

Now I want to make a scaled up version of this character!

[ketaro]

Oslecamo's Hoard[Monstrous] feat, the Status Symbol part for bonuses to ability scores. Can you put more money into it for bonuses to a pair of stats that weren't chosen yet?
Like if I spent 54k to +6 Str & Con, could I spend another 54k to +6 Dex & Wis?

QUESTION FOR OSLECAMO

What's your stance on alternate bonus types for ability score boosting wondrous items at x2 the price as per DMG's creating magic items rules?

Or just custom magic items in general? 

Edit: My pythoondragon is turning into the hulk and I desire to destroy every piece of constructed scenery, and especially thoon constructs <3, so much.
Does Os have much of a problem with Involuntary Rage & Pain Mastery bonuses stacking forever until I die?